Soo... Rick Nash the most over rated player?
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It keeps his production in perspective though. Some seem to have lost that and when it's pointed out, they overcompensate with their praising of his other abilities.
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He plays less even strength minutes than most of those other players yet has as many or nearly as many even strength points.
If we divided his 5 on 5 ice time by points scored 5 on 5 I think he may even come out as the top producer per min of 5 on 5 ice time. So it's not like PP time or points on it are skewing his stats positively, if anything it's helping those other players.
If we divided his 5 on 5 ice time by points scored 5 on 5 I think he may even come out as the top producer per min of 5 on 5 ice time. So it's not like PP time or points on it are skewing his stats positively, if anything it's helping those other players.
Machinehead
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Like Giroux who has 2 even strength goals all season. Nash has 15 and 3 shorthanded.
Machinehead
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Okay
Tarasenko Takeaway to turnover ratio 4.5:1
Rick Nash Takeaway to turnover ratio 1.3:1
Tarasenko's Corsi and Fenwick numers are also significantly higher than Nash's (CF 54.3% to Nash's 48.2) with similar competition (Tank's opponents 50.6 to Nash's 50.7)
You're right, maybe I was overestimating Nash's defensive capabilities
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Chaels Arms
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Okay
Tarasenko is a good defensive player. You can't be a chump on defense and play 20 minutes a night for Ken Hitchock, it just doesn't work that way.
Trottier
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Regardless, he was impotent on the ice last spring.
Now one may wish to excuse or ignore that ^^^ point. Likewise, one might wish to minimize his superb first half of this season.
Either POV would be intellectually dishonest.
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No arguments. If Nash was playing like this last postseason, it's not unreasonable to think that the Rangers are the ones hoisting the cup in June.
I'm going to walk a fine line though. I don't want to defend his play last season/postseason. But at the same time, I give him credit for committing himself to other areas of the game. Backchecking in particular. Physical play, not so much, and in hindsight I understand completely - the guy had his bell rung and was suffering from the after effects. But he certainly wasn't a negative on the ice like a lot of people wanted me to believe. He wasn't a positive in the way he should have been, no question about it. And it was frustrating as hell. But the Rangers would not have been better off with him on the bench.
Nash is also the type of player (see: Jaromir Jagr) who, if he is not playing well, because of the way he skates and plays the game, looks like he isn't trying on the ice. Even though that is (almost assuredly) not true. But that certainly irks a lot of people, compared to the guys like Callahan or Helm or Parise - balls to the wall, even if they're not playing well they look like they're busting their ***** on the ice at all times.
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Even more so
5 on 5
Nash 386 minutes, 25 5on5 pts = .0647 point per 5on5 minute
Tarasenko 463mins, 26pts = .0561
If Nash's points per min were prorated (which is never a good idea) to Tarasenko's 463 mins, his point total would come out to 28pts
Out of the list of player I have seen mentioned, or not mentioned Tyler Johnson is the player that is closest at 28 pts in 443mins = .0632 pts per 5 on5 minute.
So in terms of 5 on 5 points per minute Nash has been the most productive player in the NHL to date this season (although I only went through the players who have scored >20 or so 5 on 5 pts)
tony d
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Nash's problem is that yeah honestly he's not a super star player even though he was drafted #1 overall, has some very slick skills, and was paid handsomely by Columbus to be a super star player.
He's an excellent and consistent goal scorer and a very good bordering on star winger for most of his career, but he's not an elite super star winger who's going to put up over a point per game and be a threat to win the goal scoring race every year, but for some reason people kind of expected him to be that player. His contract doesn't help with that perception, but on the other hand if Columbus wanted to pay him like a super star why the heck would he say no to that??
He's an excellent and consistent goal scorer and a very good bordering on star winger for most of his career, but he's not an elite super star winger who's going to put up over a point per game and be a threat to win the goal scoring race every year, but for some reason people kind of expected him to be that player. His contract doesn't help with that perception, but on the other hand if Columbus wanted to pay him like a super star why the heck would he say no to that??
3rd in ES goals since 05 lockout? Sounds like a star winger to me. Just because he isnt a threat to win the scoring title every year doesn't mean he isnt a star scoring winger.
His assist tonight was actually a goal. Should be a hat trick. Don't know why the league didn't change it.
Rick is on fire.
Rick is on fire.
