Weekes: Something happening with Markstrom?

[Tuna99]

lol @ trying to include Formenton

Replace Norris with Chabot and Formenton with another actually decent prospect and I'd probably do it

Okay. I’d do that

Chabot, Ostaphcuk, Kleven, 1st 2924 Boston

 

[Some Other Flame]

Okay. I’d do that

Chabot, Ostaphcuk, Kleven, 1st 2924 Boston

Deal

Time to get Conroy and Staios on the phone

 

[TheNumber4]

Okay. I’d do that

Chabot, Ostaphcuk, Kleven, 1st 2924 Boston

Congrats. You just fleeced your own team.

 

[LokiDog]

I don’t understand people pointing to the Flames record and place in the standings and saying they shouldn’t move Markstrom.

Are you self renting Lindholm and Tanev? If not, where you are now in the standings is irrelevant if you’re about to move your 1C and a top D for futures. Hanifin hasn’t signed yet either. I know he’s rumored to, but nothing’s been signed yet and if he doesn’t sign before the TDL, I would move him as well, rather than risk letting these guys walk.

Since you’re likely moving at least 2, possibly 3, of the top 7 or so players on the entire team, the place in the standings today is irrelevant. If you’re self renting your UFAs your leadership is simply delusional and wrong. If you’re moving your UFAs than caring that you’re in a wild card spot and thinking you should hold onto a 33 year old goalie when there is demand enough to get a solid return for him is folly.

But Calgary seems to love mediocrity so I guess we’ll wait and see.

 

[Bounces R Way]

I don’t understand people pointing to the Flames record and place in the standings and saying they shouldn’t move Markstrom.

Are you self renting Lindholm and Tanev? If not, where you are now in the standings is irrelevant if you’re about to move your 1C and a top D for futures. Hanifin hasn’t signed yet either. I know he’s rumored to, but nothing’s been signed yet and if he doesn’t sign before the TDL, I would move him as well, rather than risk letting these guys walk.

Since you’re likely moving at least 2, possibly 3, of the top 7 or so players on the entire team, the place in the standings today is irrelevant. If you’re self renting your UFAs your leadership is simply delusional and wrong. If you’re moving your UFAs than caring that you’re in a wild card spot and thinking you should hold onto a 33 year old goalie when there is demand enough to get a solid return for him is folly.

But Calgary seems to love mediocrity so I guess we’ll wait and see.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I don’t understand people pointing to the Flames record and place in the standings and saying they shouldn’t move Markstrom.

Are you self renting Lindholm and Tanev? If not, where you are now in the standings is irrelevant if you’re about to move your 1C and a top D for futures. Hanifin hasn’t signed yet either. I know he’s rumored to, but nothing’s been signed yet and if he doesn’t sign before the TDL, I would move him as well, rather than risk letting these guys walk.

Since you’re likely moving at least 2, possibly 3, of the top 7 or so players on the entire team, the place in the standings today is irrelevant. If you’re self renting your UFAs your leadership is simply delusional and wrong. If you’re moving your UFAs than caring that you’re in a wild card spot and thinking you should hold onto a 33 year old goalie when there is demand enough to get a solid return for him is folly.

But Calgary seems to love mediocrity so I guess we’ll wait and see.

Calgary ownership won't retain on Markstrom. So unless a team is willing to take on his full cap for the next 2.5 years and give us a return that would make us want to move him he is probably staying. Not to mention he has a full no move clause and would get to dictate where he would go if at all.

The Flames current spot in the standings is not why they would keep him at all though. He has proven to be an excellent mentor and we have a really promising goalie prospect in the pipeline that will need guidance and sheltering before he can take the reins.

 

[VaporTrail]

There's something happening here....What it is ain't exactly clear.

 

[Tuna99]

Congrats. You just fleeced your own team.L

Lindholm is one of the most underrated players in the NHL and when your team hasn’t had a goalie for 6 years you need to make moves.

 

[LeapOnOver]

His cryptic tweets are so annoying. Just tell us what you think Weekes

Nothing cryptic about it. He's a rumor guy who breaks stories. He's obviously telling us he's heard we should keep an eye on Markstrom.

 

[Lunatik]

Okay. I’d do that

Chabot, Ostaphcuk, Kleven, 1st 2924 Boston

I'm not an expert but I don't think the NHL will allow a pick 900 years in the future

 

[dirtydanglez]

Nothing cryptic about it. He's a rumor guy who breaks stories. He's obviously telling us he's heard we should keep an eye on Markstrom.

everyone was already doing that. thought it might be something imminent.

 

[Lunatik]

After a rough start (more bad luck than his play) Markstrom's numbers have started matching his level of play this year.

I'm personally not a fan of moving Markstrom, and it's not about tanking or not tanking, it's that I feel he'll be more valuable as a mentor to Wolf.

Vladar needs to be gone after this season, if not via trade, then buyout.

Next year it should he a Markstrom/Wolf tandem with Wolf playing 25+ games, the following year, Wolf should play 35+. We all saw that Markstrom was a good mentor for Demko, and I want him to do the same for Wolf.

 

[deleted user]

I'm personally not a fan of moving Markstrom, and it's not about tanking or not tanking, it's that I feel he'll be more valuable as a mentor to Wolf.

That's something that probably gets lost quite a bit in all the excitement for possibly gaining assets. You're right, it's an asset in itself to have a guy like Markstrom teach Wolf what he knows.

 

[ninetyeight]

But Calgary seems to love mediocrity so I guess we’ll wait and see.

I think most will agree that the right move would've been going into rebuild before losing Gaudreau and trading Tkachuk. But now it's kinda hard to admit you screwed up and sell everything. I think it still would be the right move, but I suspect they are going to try one more time to get into playoffs and see how far they can go.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

"Most people"? Was there a vote or is this coming from an echo chamber?

It comes from reading what’s being said. It’s pretty obvious to most fans from the outside that Calgary should strip it down and rebuild. You can tell yourself otherwise or make stupid sarcastic comments but there’s a reason they’ve been a middle of the pack team for so many years and why it’s likely they’ll remain there unless they actually go through a rebuild.

I think most will agree that the right move would've been going into rebuild before losing Gaudreau and trading Tkachuk. But now it's kinda hard to admit you screwed up and sell everything. I think it still would be the right move, but I suspect they are going to try one more time to get into playoffs and see how far they can go.

They switched GM’s which is as good as admitting you screwed up.

 

[Haatley]

I don’t understand people pointing to the Flames record and place in the standings and saying they shouldn’t move Markstrom.

Are you self renting Lindholm and Tanev? If not, where you are now in the standings is irrelevant if you’re about to move your 1C and a top D for futures. Hanifin hasn’t signed yet either. I know he’s rumored to, but nothing’s been signed yet and if he doesn’t sign before the TDL, I would move him as well, rather than risk letting these guys walk.

Since you’re likely moving at least 2, possibly 3, of the top 7 or so players on the entire team, the place in the standings today is irrelevant. If you’re self renting your UFAs your leadership is simply delusional and wrong. If you’re moving your UFAs than caring that you’re in a wild card spot and thinking you should hold onto a 33 year old goalie when there is demand enough to get a solid return for him is folly.

But Calgary seems to love mediocrity so I guess we’ll wait and see.

I didn't see anyone not willing to trade Markstrom. Just absolutely zero point if the offers are as low as what people thinking he will get back.

He is not a rental. He is having a fantastic year and anyone who has paid attention to him knows he has found his form again.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Hate to be that guy, but I don't really want to go through 12 pages. Is there any updates from weekes on his last tweet or is he still making us stand here with our di*k in our hands?

 

[Kranix]

Hate to be that guy, but I don't really want to go through 12 pages. Is there any updates from weekes on his last tweet or is he still making us stand here with our di*k in our hands?

He did it for clicks, because he has no sources, feeds off of the insiders. He doesn't have a neck to stick out because he's playing his own game of rumor fabrication

 

[Detroit Knights]

He did it for clicks, because he has no sources, feeds off of the insiders. He doesn't have a neck to stick out because he's playing his own game of rumor fabrication

I realize he does that a lot but it does seem like something happens relatively close to the time he does this (relative could be a week I suppose).

It is great for clicks though.

 

[Kranix]

I realize he does that a lot but it does seem like something happens relatively close to the time he does this (relative could be a week I suppose).

It is great for clicks though.

Well, Weekes tweeted "eyeball" and will never say another word on it, because that would solve his mini-mystery that keeps people coming back. Friedman subsequently weighed in to explain the Flames haven't asked Markstrom about a trade.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Well, Weekes tweeted "eyeball" and will never say another word on it, because that would solve his mini-mystery that keeps people coming back. Friedman subsequently weighed in to explain the Flames haven't asked Markstrom about a trade.

yea i just went to the calgary board and saw that it will most likely take an overwhelming trade in order for it to happen, so detroit is probably out at that point. Which sucks because Lyon is great, but he can't play every game and we just don't trust husso or reimer at all.

Maybe Vejmelka becomes available since ingram is playing so great? Lyon/Vejmelka goalie tandem could probably get it done and get us to the playoffs.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

 

[Reinhart]

It's good you have such inside knowledge.

The reason I think the Flames would be happy to keep him is his cap hit. Rebuilding teams need to be at least up to the cap floor and Markstrom's is one that can help them do that.

But if he doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team then all bets are off and Conroy has his work cut out for him - managing 7 other trades and all.

Ignoring your 'insider' snark, what is complicated here? You didn't elaborate on any complications. I don't have any inside knowledge, but I do read and pay attention to people who do, especially Conroy.

1. Markstrom has not asked for a trade. In fact, even with the doom and gloom start, he specifically stated that he wants to live here, loves the city, loves the mountains, and wants to run out his contract here.
2. Flames are not in a cap-crunch as you posted.
3. Even if Markstrom suddenly does poorly again, he would make for an excellent mentor for Wolf. If he is still performing well, he would make an even better mentor for Wolf as he would take all the pressure off the kid. There is value in him staying.
4. Markstrom is performing at a high level. There is absolutely no incentive for Conroy to move him unless he likes the offers. This isn't a: "to the highest bidder" situation. Calgary is fine keeping Markstrom.

So what is complicated about this situation? Flames can and seem to want to keep him, and Markstrom wants to stay. So unless somoene provides Conroy with an offer that he likes enough to ask Markstrom to waive, from a team that Markstrom would be willing to go to (he mentioned a window of contention - so a team that is likely to be competing for the rest of his contract), I would expect Markstrom to remain a Flame.

As for rebuilding - Conroy recently stated that he doesn't believe in rebuilds. It seems that what he meant by that was what we on forums call scorched earth rebuilds. Seems like Conroy is simply going to trade some expiring UFAs out, and unless there are really good offers on players under contract (Markstrom included), then that's all there is to really expect on that front. This will be more like a retool of sorts, though these definitions leave a lot of room for interpretation. I am sure that Markstrom would NOT want to remain through a scorched-earth scenario (who does??), but a one-two season retool? He seems to be on-board given his comments.

As for 7 additional trades - where are you getting that from? Lindhom, Tanev and depending on the week, Hanifin. I personally would anticipate that if Markstrom doesn't go, then Vladar is likely to be traded, but that's not a guarantee (and there may or may not be a market there - Vladar is more complicated than Markstrom, I would say). Wo else are you envisioning Conroy having to trade by the deadline?

 

[Mike Jones]

Ignoring your 'insider' snark, what is complicated here? You didn't elaborate on any complications. I don't have any inside knowledge, but I do read and pay attention to people who do, especially Conroy.

1. Markstrom has not asked for a trade. In fact, even with the doom and gloom start, he specifically stated that he wants to live here, loves the city, loves the mountains, and wants to run out his contract here.
2. Flames are not in a cap-crunch as you posted.
3. Even if Markstrom suddenly does poorly again, he would make for an excellent mentor for Wolf. If he is still performing well, he would make an even better mentor for Wolf as he would take all the pressure off the kid. There is value in him staying.
4. Markstrom is performing at a high level. There is absolutely no incentive for Conroy to move him unless he likes the offers. This isn't a: "to the highest bidder" situation. Calgary is fine keeping Markstrom.

So what is complicated about this situation? Flames can and seem to want to keep him, and Markstrom wants to stay. So unless somoene provides Conroy with an offer that he likes enough to ask Markstrom to waive, from a team that Markstrom would be willing to go to (he mentioned a window of contention - so a team that is likely to be competing for the rest of his contract), I would expect Markstrom to remain a Flame.

As for rebuilding - Conroy recently stated that he doesn't believe in rebuilds. It seems that what he meant by that was what we on forums call scorched earth rebuilds. Seems like Conroy is simply going to trade some expiring UFAs out, and unless there are really good offers on players under contract (Markstrom included), then that's all there is to really expect on that front. This will be more like a retool of sorts, though these definitions leave a lot of room for interpretation. I am sure that Markstrom would NOT want to remain through a scorched-earth scenario (who does??), but a one-two season retool? He seems to be on-board given his comments.

As for 7 additional trades - where are you getting that from? Lindhom, Tanev and depending on the week, Hanifin. I personally would anticipate that if Markstrom doesn't go, then Vladar is likely to be traded, but that's not a guarantee (and there may or may not be a market there - Vladar is more complicated than Markstrom, I would say). Wo else are you envisioning Conroy having to trade by the deadline?

Everything you said here makes it clear - there's no way the Flames are going to recognize reality, rebuild, and make legitimate attempts to win the Stanley Cup going forward.

What a waste and a shame. The Flames, for a while there, were a strong organization with a lot of hope.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Weekes has broken a boat load of stuff. The hate is weird; some fans take this stuff way too seriously.

Literally all he did was post to keep on eye on a couple of goalies, nothing else. The desperation of fans to make it more than it is, is on them and their poor reading comprehension skills.