Rumor: Something brewing between CAR and CBJ?

[LazyCircuits]

I’m not saying Columbus should acquire Kasperi Kotkaniemi but here is a little thought.

At 50% retained, his contract is good value for a fourth line centre. If he stinks up the joint, a buyout would cost just 425k per year.

Even at his current trajectory Columbus could trade him after two seasons with 50% retention leaving him available at just above league minimum with a 200k buyout penalty. That is absolutely doable for any contender needing a fourth line centre.

I don’t want to make a trade that involves acquiring him but the idea that he is untradeable doesn’t chime with me.

 

[CannonFire1]

This feels like a dumb argument. If a player has “no talent” but is available 100% of the time, they’re also probably making like 800k. If you’re making 8M+ (10x) I’m fairly certain it’s a lot more important to the GM that you actually be in the lineup. You’re basically saying “any team would rather have McDavid for 41 games than John Scott for 82” which is the biggest “no shit, Sherlock” ever written. But would I rather have Necas for 70+ games or Laine for 50? Availability does matter. No one is suggesting that because Laine is oft injured that we’d want Derek Dorsett and Ryan Prust over him, but we are suggesting that playing barely over 50% of your games impacts your value… and we’re 100% correct.

That is exactly what I'm saying. I agree with most of what you said. I also never said availability was unimportant, nor did I try to tell anyone how they should value any specific player. I said the rhetoric being used was inaccurate and in my opinion dumb. In a highly skilled profession, the best/most important ability is actually being good at your job.

 

[CBJx614]

I’m not saying Columbus should acquire Kasperi Kotkaniemi but here is a little thought.

At 50% retained, his contract is good value for a fourth line centre. If he stinks up the joint, a buyout would cost just 425k per year.

Even at his current trajectory Columbus could trade him after two seasons with 50% retention leaving him available at just above league minimum with a 200k buyout penalty. That is absolutely doable for any contender needing a fourth line centre.

I don’t want to make a trade that involves acquiring him but the idea that he is untradeable doesn’t chime with me.

He might be tradable, but trading someone with 2 years left on their contract vs 6 doesn't make any sense when you have a bunch of kids who will need contracts in the next 2-4 years.

 

[CraigBillington]

That guy is so lucky his parents didn't name him "Lick."

Is he reliable? Never heard of him.

Isaac would have been less of a stretch

 

[57special]

If he was making 2-3M his agent wouldve been fired and Laine would have one of the best deals on the entire league.

56 points in 56 games making 2-3M/season

FFS

WTH are you talking about? He played in 18 games last year, and had 9 points. Cherry pick stats all you want if it makes you feel happy, but no team will value someone highly who doesn't play the games. Season totals are what matters, not some arbitrary P/PG stat that are specifically chosen to make a player look better than he is.

Should we just ignore all the missed games, and mediocre production, and only focus on the times when he played well(when he played, that is)? Seems kind of off, no?

 

[Led Tasso]

Not saying I am one to grasp at straws when bored during the off-season, but were one so inclined, they may see this and try to make a connection of dots...

 

[spockBokk]

Not saying I am one to grasp at straws when bored during the off-season, but were one so inclined, they may see this and try to make a connection of dots...View attachment 898751

I’m as bored as the next guy, but need to take a look at what the date is today - 8/2, #82

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I’m as bored as the next guy, but need to take a look at what the date is today - 8/2, #82

You don't even need to check the date it literally tells you in the ad.

 

[CBJx614]

WTH are you talking about? He played in 18 games last year, and had 9 points. Cherry pick stats all you want if it makes you feel happy, but no team will value someone highly who doesn't play the games. Season totals are what matters, not some arbitrary P/PG stat that are specifically chosen to make a player look better than he is.

Should we just ignore all the missed games, and mediocre production, and only focus on the times when he played well(when he played, that is)? Seems kind of off, no?

That's what happens when you have a season ending injury.

The season before he had 56 points in 56 games and 52 in 55 the season before

He's had two seasons completely derailed by injuries. And in those two seasons he scored at about a .5ppg pace...

Take out those two seasons and he scores at around .8ppg pace

A GM literally couldn't sign him for less than 6-7M, let alone 2-3M.

He literally signed his contract 2 years ago, you think if Jarmo could've signed him for less than 8.7M that he would've?

 

[Slats432]

It’s a good base imo. Laine is the best player when healthy and canes clear cap space.

It's insane to think that Laine could get you Necas plus.

 

[Led Tasso]

You don't even need to check the date it literally tells you in the ad.

Yea I can read. It was more making a jab at the stretches that tend to be made this time of year. Clearly landed as well as the diver from the Philippines in the olympics. As you were everyone... nothing to see here

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I’m as bored as the next guy, but need to take a look at what the date is today - 8/2, #82

but they dont have 50% sales on Aho shirts on 2/0.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

wouldn't it have been cheaper for Canes to buy out Kotkaniemi than retain 50% of his salary? Granted, they missed their window to do so

 

[tarheelhockey]

I’m not saying Columbus should acquire Kasperi Kotkaniemi but here is a little thought.

At 50% retained, his contract is good value for a fourth line centre. If he stinks up the joint, a buyout would cost just 425k per year.

Even at his current trajectory Columbus could trade him after two seasons with 50% retention leaving him available at just above league minimum with a 200k buyout penalty. That is absolutely doable for any contender needing a fourth line centre.

I don’t want to make a trade that involves acquiring him but the idea that he is untradeable doesn’t chime with me.

FWIW, there would be no reason to trade Kotkaniemi at 50%. He’s not a bad player, not to the point of being a liability at that low of a salary. He just hasn’t shown signs of becoming the 2C they were hoping for, and they’re not in a position to shelter him any more.

He’d be a pretty good 4C for anyone. Question is whether that’s his ceiling, or if he can still grow and at least be a decent 3C in another year or two. Last year was rough, but prior to that he was rounding into a half-point per game player who contributed away from the puck.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I’m not saying Columbus should acquire Kasperi Kotkaniemi but here is a little thought.

At 50% retained, his contract is good value for a fourth line centre. If he stinks up the joint, a buyout would cost just 425k per year.

Even at his current trajectory Columbus could trade him after two seasons with 50% retention leaving him available at just above league minimum with a 200k buyout penalty. That is absolutely doable for any contender needing a fourth line centre.

I don’t want to make a trade that involves acquiring him but the idea that he is untradeable doesn’t chime with me.

Be cheaper for the Canes to buy him out than retain 50% on him so that's probably a non-starter. Plus how many teams retain on a 6 year contract? Again, he'd be a great 3C if we had an actual 2C and didn't also have Staal (who should be 4C but will always be overplayed by RBA) & Drury.

 

[n8]

It's insane to think that Laine could get you Necas plus.

While Kotka is a player, at his cap for 6 more years, he's a minus. Small outside chance he turns it around. If I'm Carolina, I'd personally not do that trade but if they are trying to accommodate Necas trade request, Carolina would be the team getting a near P/G player.

FWIW, there would be no reason to trade Kotkaniemi at 50%. He’s not a bad player, not to the point of being a liability at that low of a salary. He just hasn’t shown signs of becoming the 2C they were hoping for, and they’re not in a position to shelter him any more.

He’d be a pretty good 4C for anyone. Question is whether that’s his ceiling, or if he can still grow and at least be a decent 3C in another year or two. Last year was rough, but prior to that he was rounding into a half-point per game player who contributed away from the puck.

I imagine if such a trade went down, Kotka would go at 100% because freeing up that cap space has a lot of value. But in my scenario, I think Carolina has to send something significant along with a ok player with a not ok contract. Now it doesn't have to be Necas (and Columbus can send more than Laine), but Carolina would have to send some value to get Laine.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I imagine if such a trade went down, Kotka would go at 100% because freeing up that cap space has a lot of value. But in my scenario, I think Carolina has to send something significant along with a ok player with a not ok contract. Now it doesn't have to be Necas (and Columbus can send more than Laine), but Carolina would have to send some value to get Laine.

If a conversation is actually happening, I’m guessing that’s more or less the substance of it.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

It's insane to think that Laine could get you Necas plus.

Uhh look at what it took to dump Walman. Kotekneimi is not a +

 

[Slats432]

Uhh look at what it took to dump Walman. Kotekneimi is not a +

I would be shocked if Necas was the cost to move Kotkaniemi.

 

[SEALBound]

Not saying I am one to grasp at straws when bored during the off-season, but were one so inclined, they may see this and try to make a connection of dots...View attachment 898751

This is the ultimate summer post for the main trade boards on HF.

Love it.

 

[To Be Determined]

wouldn't it have been cheaper for Canes to buy out Kotkaniemi than retain 50% of his salary? Granted, they missed their window to do so

yes, it would be considerably cheaper. less than a million vs ~2.4 million.

also, i don't think they've missed their window yet. a second buyout window starts 3 days after arbitration is settled, and lasts 48 hours.

so, with necas signing monday (which counts as the arb being settled) we're still in the window today.

not that they're actually going to do it. but they could.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Laine isn't coming to Carolina.

 

[Xoggz22]

Have they traded any barbs yet? good ribbing? Black coffee for a Latte? I mean that's the only trade talk I could see right now....

 

[torniojaws]

Laine for Kotekenemi and Necas

And 1st round pick until further notice

 

[Unbiased Fan]

And 1st round pick until further notice

Laine and a protected 1st for Necas and Kotekneimi? I feel like Columbus declines but maybe not.