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PSG use space in AM so intelligently. Especially against a team like Inter who want to go man to man and press the front 3 and whoever drifts into am from their midfield.

So many teams obsess about getting the ball into final third and possess it there. (My team included)

PSG? Happy to possess ball at the top of the midfield circle, create space, then get runners with speed to expose that space.

But when facing a team who have size and strength in CBs, and not as comfortable playing vs runners?

This formation and way of progressing ball through AM is genius really.
 
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Like... the only team in England who play like this in AM are Aston Villa.

I really think at times if Pep had Haaland drop deeper and have his creative midfielders purposefully keep the ball deeper it would open up so much space run wise for wingers.

Especially vs the low block that has become so prevalent vs the top teams. (Funny as PSG beat Villa who were using a low block ahaha. As Villa use a low block and have this style of using AM space)
 
Appleyard said:
PSG use space in AM so intelligently. Especially against a team like Inter who want to go man to man and press the front 3 and whoever drifts into am from their midfield.

So many teams obsess about getting the ball into final third and possess it there. (My team included)

PSG? Happy to possess ball at the top of the midfield circle, create space, then get runners with speed to expose that space.

But when facing a team who have size and strength in CBs, and not as comfortable playing vs runners?

This formation and way of progressing ball through AM is genius really.
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the +2 weak side transition is insane.
 
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I think the only way to "beat" this PSG style consistently is to have zonal marking with fast defenders and a high press...

And you need a world class DM to do that. Basically maybe 5 guys right now capable of it.

I guess you can outpossess them and have a high press that can win ball back consistently and finish chances... but like that they will for sure get a couple of incredible counter chances a game.
 
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Appleyard said:
It is basically an evolution of what the early 2000s Arsenal team did.

Shows what a good manager Enrique is. Totally different from how he managed Spain and Barca tactically. But these tactics suit Dembele so, so well as he is maybe the best on earth at working off the ball right now.
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Another branch off the Cruyff tree.

They found the perfect players for this. Having enough cash to basically throw an entire team away and start over certainly helps, but it takes an effort to get 11 players so dedicated to playing this way.

Edit: Jesus.
 
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Starat327 said:
Another branch off the Cruyff tree.

They found the perfect players for this. Having enough cash to basically throw an entire team away and start over certainly helps, but it takes an effort to get 11 players so dedicated to playing this way.

Edit: Jesus.
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Yep. Kind of crazy you have Pep, Enrique, Klopp, Slot and Arteta who basically all come from Rinus Michals brand of football.

Inter have the best low block in football or close and they have been made to look like amateurs.

Considering the low block is the scourge of football (not Tiki-taka as some would say... I always think that "take" is like saying that those who tried to prevail vs the 1-3-1 in the DPE with structured transition instead of D+C was bad for the game ahaha... the trap was the bad thing, not the thing it was trying to stop!) It is great that a team have the blueprint to decimate it. (Liverpool also play not a million miles away at times and beat it too)
 
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Starat327 said:
Inzhagi too busy thinking about that Saudi coaching money.
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All the Italian coaches will be having an emergency meeting to figure out how they can create the next low block and restore the footballing balance by playing turgid, slow, defensive football.

I wish Nereo Rocco had never been born lmao.

Also makes me cry that so many Italian coaches copy Rocco and not Sacchi...
 
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Appleyard said:
Yep. Kind of crazy you have Pep, Enrique, Klopp, Slot and Arteta who basically all come from Rinus Michals brand of football.

Inter have the best low block in football or close and they have been made to look like amateurs.

Considering the low block is the scourge of football (not Tiki-taka as some would say... I always think that "take" is like saying that those who tried to prevail vs the 1-3-1 in the DPE with structured transition instead of D+C was bad for the game ahaha... the trap was the bad thing, not the thing it was trying to stop!) It is great that a team have the blueprint to decimate it. (Liverpool also play not a million miles away at times and beat it too)
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I think what I like most about the PSG "version" is that, while it is as rigid( and maybe moreso) as the contemporary versions, it doesn't feel or look as rigid as Pep-ball.
 
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Using the Flyers fan/media standard for what proves quality, Dortmund is an elite team because they were the last team to knock PSG out of the UCL, just like Torts knocking out the Lightning.
 
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I think what I like most about the PSG "version" is that, while it is as rigid( and maybe moreso) as the contemporary versions, it doesn't feel or look as rigid as Pep-ball.
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Yeh... inherently having runners into space instead of shorter passing seems to be more fluid... even when very very drilled.

I get it though. My favorite team ever to watch is early 2000s Arsenal. Liverpool are objectively more fun to watch than City. This PSG team are magic too.

Ajax 95 was not a 4-3-3 but similar philosophy too. And incredible to watch.

This branch of the 4-3-3 is for sure the most exciting.
 
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Appleyard said:
Yeh... inherently having runners into space instead of shorter passing seems to be more fluid... even when very very drilled.

I get it though. My favorite team ever to watch is early 2000s Arsenal. Liverpool are objectively more fun to watch than City. This PSG team are magic too.

Ajax 95 was not a 4-3-3 but similar philosophy too. And incredible to watch.

This branch of the 4-3-3 is for sure the most exciting.
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Yeah. I can certainly appreciate the Pep style ball even if i dont like watching it. The tactical side of it is admirable. But man is it a slog when its not firing on all cylinders.
 
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Starat327 said:
Yeah. I can certainly appreciate the Pep style ball even if i dont like watching it. The tactical side of it is admirable. But man is it a slog when its not firing on all cylinders.
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Yeh, and 10 years ago it always fired on the cylinders and was beautiful... because back then most teams played a higher line or even if deep played zonally. Heck, everyone raved about it in Barca, and then when the Spanish NT copied it and dominated, and then even early years of City it was loved.

And then people (Sean Dyche etc!) started copying Mourinho, Simeone etcs low block... but without the heavy counter approach that those guys employed... and loads of other coaches of mid-bad top flight teams realised that it was an effective tactic to mean you had a "chance" to win vs tiki-taki style football teams.


Some fantastic defensive minded coach will figure out a way to suppress this PSG/Liverpool style now... heck, Mourinho himself did it first time round to nullify Arsenal and Man United with his low-block. But hopefully it takes a while...usually takes ~5-10 years and is cyclical.
 
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Appleyard said:
Yeh, and 10 years ago it always fired on the cylinders and was beautiful... because back then most teams played a higher line or even if deep played zonally. Heck, everyone raved about it in Barca, and then when the Spanish NT copied it and dominated, and then even early years of City it was loved.

And then people (Sean Dyche etc!) started copying Mourinho, Simeone etcs low block... but without the heavy counter approach that those guys employed... and loads of other coaches of mid-bad top flight teams realised that it was an effective tactic to mean you had a "chance" to win vs tiki-taki style football teams.


Some fantastic defensive minded coach will figure out a way to suppress this PSG/Liverpool style now... heck, Mourinho himself did it first time round to nullify Arsenal and Man United with his low-block. But hopefully it takes a while...usually takes ~5-10 years and is cyclical.
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Feels like it always comes back to income disparity, ultimately.

Progressive manager does something innovative.
Progressive manager gets appointed to top club with financial backing and dominates.
Mid/lower tier clubs have to find ugly ways to balance.
 
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Btw, while I love Pep... not actually my favourite Man City coach.

That would be Kevin Keegan. Just loved the balls on that man and how he saw football. He once said something along the lines of "I would rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0... this game is entertainment" and got pilloried for it ahaha.

His City team was just joyous to watch win or lose.

Also, people always say "oh, what could Paul Gascoigne and George Best have been without the drugs and booze..." the answer is:

Not as good as Kevin Keegan actually was between 1972 and 1982... because while he wasnt the 99.9th centile talent, he was probably 99th centile talent who worked at 100th centile!

also love that after being Premier League player of the season at age 31... he left to join his child-hood club Newcastle when he could have gone anywhere.
 
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