So tired of hearing all this talk about tanking for McDavid

[FuriousSenator]

My point was it's a pathetic system that literally makes fans cheer for their teams to lose.

The game should be about prestige and beating your rivals. Championships are a part of that, but it's too much in the NHL imo.

People are literally so obsessed with the Stanley Cup they get the knives out the instant a team might be in danger of missing the playoffs.

That's so lame and tankers just end up looking like losers.

My vote is to introduce regular season cups/banners for things like winning season series' against major rivals etc... give teams something to play for from start to finish that isn't necessarily playoffs.

 

[MayDay]

My point was it's a pathetic system that literally makes fans cheer for their teams to lose.

The game should be about prestige and beating your rivals. Championships are a part of that, but it's too much in the NHL imo.

People are literally so obsessed with the Stanley Cup they get the knives out the instant a team might be in danger of missing the playoffs.

That's so lame and tankers just end up looking like losers.

My vote is to introduce regular season cups/banners for things like winning season series' against major rivals etc... give teams something to play for from start to finish that isn't necessarily playoffs.

Why are people so hostile to the idea of short-term sacrifice for long-term gain? No pain, no gain, right?

Why shouldn't teams look at the big picture and long-term success, rather than just trying to amass points this season?

I would argue that teams that only take a narrow, short-term view, and that are unwilling to make sacrifices or plan for the future, are ultimately doing a great disservice to their fans. Teams that are unwilling to tear it down and rebuild when necessary, get stuck in a situation of perpetual mediocrity.

 

[FuriousSenator]

Why are people so hostile to the idea of short-term sacrifice for long-term gain? No pain, no gain, right?

Why shouldn't teams look at the big picture and long-term success, rather than just trying to amass points this season?

I would argue that teams that only take a narrow, short-term view, and that are unwilling to make sacrifices or plan for the future, are ultimately doing a great disservice to their fans.

Right but there's a difference between a system where that is still a goal but winning short term still matters, and one where fans actively cheer AGAINST their own team in the name of short term pain...

That is disgusting imo. I hate seeing it.

Fix the broken system that tells us wins are bad.

 

[ZeroPT*]

Detroit has not had a #1 overall pick since 1986.Between 1986 and now they have won 4 Stanley Cups more than any other team in that period.They do it by drafting well with the picks they have especially in later rounds,making good trades and smart free agent acquisition.Yes getting the top pick might help change a team but you have to do well with later draft picks,trades and free agency.

You can't bring up Detroit in this situation. They're the best franchise in the league IMO. Everything about them.

They got Yzerman 4th overall I think, but then after that they've found superstars like Datsyuk and Zetterberg in late rounds. Not an accurate way of building a team. It's virtually impossible

 

[DetBigWangs]

Fans of good teams looking down their noses at franchises that are struggling makes me sick. Every team goes through periods where they suck. Chicago did. LA did. EVERYONE does.

Congrats, you are a fan of a good team. Now shut up.

I have no problem with a couple years of high draft picks. But you should be ejected from the league when you can't make 4 #1 overall draft picks work out.

 

[CaseyMitts37]

My point was it's a pathetic system that literally makes fans cheer for their teams to lose.

The game should be about prestige and beating your rivals. Championships are a part of that, but it's too much in the NHL imo.

People are literally so obsessed with the Stanley Cup they get the knives out the instant a team might be in danger of missing the playoffs.

That's so lame and tankers just end up looking like losers.

My vote is to introduce regular season cups/banners for things like winning season series' against major rivals etc... give teams something to play for from start to finish that isn't necessarily playoffs.

This argument makes no sense. So you're saying the Stanley Cup shouldn't matter?

 

[Karate Johnson*]

My point was it's a pathetic system that literally makes fans cheer for their teams to lose.

The game should be about prestige and beating your rivals. Championships are a part of that, but it's too much in the NHL imo.

People are literally so obsessed with the Stanley Cup they get the knives out the instant a team might be in danger of missing the playoffs.

That's so lame and tankers just end up looking like losers.

My vote is to introduce regular season cups/banners for things like winning season series' against major rivals etc... give teams something to play for from start to finish that isn't necessarily playoffs.

How about Orange Slices and juice boxes too?

Haha... Not unlike the Presidents Trophy, silly awards for mediocre accomplishments are meaningless.

 

[ResilientBeast]

My point was it's a pathetic system that literally makes fans cheer for their teams to lose.

The game should be about prestige and beating your rivals. Championships are a part of that, but it's too much in the NHL imo.

People are literally so obsessed with the Stanley Cup they get the knives out the instant a team might be in danger of missing the playoffs.

That's so lame and tankers just end up looking like losers.

My vote is to introduce regular season cups/banners for things like winning season series' against major rivals etc... give teams something to play for from start to finish that isn't necessarily playoffs.

So you'd like more meaningless awards? The point of the NHL isn't to beat your rival, it's to win the cup. If you don't make the playoffs too bad so sad

 

[Beerz]

Right but there's a difference between a system where that is still a goal but winning short term still matters, and one where fans actively cheer AGAINST their own team in the name of short term pain...

That is disgusting imo. I hate seeing it.

Fix the broken system that tells us wins are bad.

The only "cheering against" happens on Twitter and HF Boards. The fans in the stands don't cheer against Buffalo.

You're being a tad dramatic.

 

[Eichel 9]

The reason fans cheering for "tanking" has become so widespread is simply because of how hard it is to build your team using free agency now. Due to the ridiculously long contracts being handed out like candy, the free agency market has suffered since everyone worth anything gets re-signed to a long term contract.

 

[JMecc]

Even if the picks were all determined randomly, teams not doing well would trade their current assets for futures.

 

[Mynameismark*]

Yup.

It's pure jealously. Fans of teams that's are supposedly "better" than the Sabres are jealous of a historically bad 30th place team because they look at our prospect pool, the picks we'll add this year, and the cap space to compliment a young core and realize that they have no chance to build what we're building because they insist on doing things "the right way"

lol, doubt anyone would be jealous of Buffalo.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

lol, doubt anyone would be jealous of Buffalo.

There are very many of them in this thread. It's the ones accusing them of tanking and demanding there be punishment.

 

[Mynameismark*]

There are very many of them in this thread. It's the ones accusing them of tanking and demanding there be punishment.

Buffalo has had stacked teams before. Nothing to show for it.

Hell, Buffalo had the Bills, a stacked team and they came away from 4 title games empty handed. I trust in the Buffalo sporting curse. Much more than I do in Santa.

 

[Dahlin 2 Eichel]

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[Pinkfloyd]

Buffalo has had stacked teams before. Nothing to show for it.

Hell, Buffalo had the Bills, a stacked team and they came away from 4 title games empty handed. I trust in the Buffalo sporting curse. Much more than I do in Santa.

Doesn't make the people in this thread any less jealous.

 

[Mynameismark*]

Doesn't make the people in this thread any less jealous.

Please explain what a fan of a good team could be jealous of with the Sabres?

 

[tucker3434]

The NHL is a business, a business that thrives when all 30 arenas are full. Bad teams need the best pick to draw fans. So don't expect it to ever change radically.

 

[HP00]

Washington - Ovechkin (1st), Backstrom (4th)
Pittsburgh - Fleury (1st), Malkin (2nd), Crosby (1st), Staal (2nd)
Chicago - Toews (3rd), Kane (1st)
LA - Doughty (2nd), Schenn (5th)
St. Louis - Johnson (1st), Pietrangelo (4th)
Colorado - Duchene (3rd), Landeskog (2nd), MacKinnon (1st)
NYI - Tavares (1st), Niederreiter (5th), Strome (5th), Reinhart (4th)
Tampa-Bay - Stamkos (1st), Hedman (2nd), Drouin (3rd)


Nah top 5 picks don't help at all.
Yes I know there these aren't the sole reason for their teams success but that are all instrumental in their teams current success. After the Sabres pick this year, what they do after will be the determining factor of their future success. Drafting Reinhart, McDavid/Eichel is not the end all answer. There is still a lot of work to do.

 

[Dahlin 2 Eichel]

don't be mad at us poor sabre fans

 

[Havok89]

Please explain what a fan of a good team could be jealous of with the Sabres?

A top two pick this season for starters.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Please explain what a fan of a good team could be jealous of with the Sabres?

The fact that they're going to get a player that they want. It's that simple and it very much is real.