So Larkin Made Some Interesting Comments.

What grade would people give Yzerman the past two seasons....

Good job, bad job? I think how people answer that question, will say a lot about how they feel about this.
Good. He has stated multiple times and clearly that

  • he is building a team that can truly contend for the Cup for realsies.
  • it will take a while.
  • in the meantime he has to ice a team that puts butts in seats and might find themselves in the playoffs if they try hard enough and get some luck.
That's it. That's the Yzerplan. People that say it's shaky or murky or unclear or failing or failed are simply not listening. They want their Oompa Loompa NOW!

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Pretty impressive that a bad GM, bad coaches, and a bad Captain have missed the points by an average of 1.5 wins/season the last 2 years.
The bad GM did draft very well and there have been really good young players that have carried the team, especially defensively, where a 22 year old defenseman was playing by far the hardest minutes in the entire NHL.
 
The bad GM did draft very well and there have been really good young players that have carried the team, especially defensively, where a 22 year old defenseman was playing by far the hardest minutes in the entire NHL.
I mean, objectively speaking, drafting is the most importantly thing to get right for the long term. Not sure how that equals a D..
 
Good. He has stated multiple times and clearly that

  • he is building a team that can truly contend for the Cup for realsies.
  • it will take a while.
  • in the meantime he has to ice a team that puts butts in seats and might find themselves in the playoffs if they try hard enough and get some luck.
That's it. That's the Yzerplan. People that say it's shaky or murky or unclear or failing or failed are simply not listening. They want their Oompa Loompa NOW!

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So, basically the plan can't be criticized no matter what. If they would have made the playoffs the past couple of years the Yzerplan worked. And if they didn't, the plan still is working because it's a long-term plan that now evidently goes beyond 6 years. All the while their #1 point producing C is heading into his 30's.
 
People think Yzerman can not win a Larkin trade. Much depends on how it might plays out. Right now there is no urgency to make the trade. Not often is a good captain, with a good contract, available. Let the offers come in and see what happens. I would not play poker against Yzerman.

The time table is really set around Seider, Edvinsson, Kasper, Raymond, and ASP who make up the core.
 
Larkin's comments at the end of last season were supportive of Newsy. They cannot be interpreted any other way. I do wonder whether Yzerman would let Larkin's opinion - plus the fact they put up 91 points - make him less inclined to pull the plug?

Regardless, after the month of October 2024 it was clear something needed to be done, and that's 1000% on Yzerman IMO.

Yeah, I get bringing Lalonde back. We missed the playoffs by a tiebreaker. But I'm with you on the guy being done by the November. I thought he was gone for sure after that west coast trip where we lost in OT to the Sharks on Nov. 18th. When he survived that, I didn't think he would be fired this year. Then he got even worst.
 
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It wasn't bad in October or November. It was beyond horrible. Lalonde should have been the first coach canned in the league. The team was not ready when the season started. The few points we got were lucky as hell. Only game we looked like we should have won was against the Rangers, but we got goalied and lost that game. Sure, we heard about the "flu" that went on for the first couple of months, but I am not really buying it.
 
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People think Yzerman can not win a Larkin trade. Much depends on how it might plays out. Right now there is no urgency to make the trade. Not often is a good captain, with a good contract, available. Let the offers come in and see what happens. I would not play poker against Yzerman.
Larkin has no trade clause, if he wants out, he decides where he wants to go. And that team in question has no need to pay value. That is no-win situation, like DeBrincat trade. Cat wanted to come to Detroit and Sens got late 1st+UFA winger+AHL/ECHL tweener prospect. Larkin trade would fetch better package than that but nowhere near Fantilli/Byfield-department what people seems to be expecting.
 
1) I saw nothing even provocative about Larkin's comments. It is like the doldrums of summer have hit way to early.

2) While I appreciate Larkin's passion for wanting to win, Yzerman's mistake was made far earlier than the deadline. While the team improved under Fester, it should have been clear to him earlier he was losing the players, deploying them incorrectly and seemingly encouraging some truly idiotic player movement (Walman being tops on that list).
 
So, basically the plan can't be criticized no matter what. If they would have made the playoffs the past couple of years the Yzerplan worked. And if they didn't, the plan still is working because it's a long-term plan that now evidently goes beyond 6 years. All the while their #1 point producing C is heading into his 30's.
I, of course, did not say that. What I said is that the plan has been articulated clearly and is being followed fairly strictly.

It might, in fact, be a poor plan. I like it but I'm a different kind of fan than you are. And there have been mistakes along the way for sure, most obviously in the UFA arena, but to me that does not invalidate the whole plan.

So criticize away, but IMO the criticisms I listed are not relevant. Which is exactly what I typed originally.
 
I, of course, did not say that. What I said is that the plan has been articulated clearly and is being followed fairly strictly.

It might, in fact, be a poor plan. I like it but I'm a different kind of fan than you are. And there have been mistakes along the way for sure, most obviously in the UFA arena, but to me that does not invalidate the whole plan.

So criticize away, but IMO the criticisms I listed are not relevant. Which is exactly what I typed originally.

Apologies, I misread your post.
 
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Good. He has stated multiple times and clearly that
  • he is building a team that can truly contend for the Cup for realsies.
  • it will take a while.
All this is fine.

  • in the meantime he has to ice a team that puts butts in seats and might find themselves in the playoffs if they try hard enough and get some luck.
This is the part that's ridiculous. The current roster neither puts butts in seats nor is poised to make the playoffs. Unless Yzerman makes an actual move or two this summer, they'll miss the playoffs again next year as well. So he's both missing any real draft assets and missing any real games. Yay.

That's it. That's the Yzerplan. People that say it's shaky or murky or unclear or failing or failed are simply not listening. They want their Oompa Loompa NOW!
He can manage however he wants. But I'm not wasting my time watching this crap. When he gets serious about the roster, I'll get serious about watching the games.
 
All this is fine.


This is the part that's ridiculous. The current roster neither puts butts in seats nor is poised to make the playoffs. Unless Yzerman makes an actual move or two this summer, they'll miss the playoffs again next year as well. So he's both missing any real draft assets and missing any real games. Yay.


He can manage however he wants. But I'm not wasting my time watching this crap. When he gets serious about the roster, I'll get serious about watching the games.

Attendance increased, last season they missed the playoffs by a tiebreaker, and this season they missed by 5 points (which is their first step back in terms of points under Yzerman). So the roster both puts butts in seats and was in the hunt for the playoffs.

It's fine if you don't want to watch. We'll wait for you to jump on the bandwagon when the weather is fairer.
 
people cry about wings being bad , mean while im enjoying the heck out of this rebuild watching the prospects develop . and the detractors live in denial about how long it takes to rebuild an empty nhl depth chart . and are crying for quick fixes at the cost of long term success while ignoring all the monsters yzerman has stacked up on the draft floor ! i hope henkka's saving every red wing bashing thread so we can have a big bash the bash thread 2026/27

*i know , all the bashers know better than yzerman :dunce:

*mean while kasper just joined the stock pile of ''yzer'locks'' monster draft pix , and pelli just rocked another season . but lets bitch 24/7 :dunce:
 
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people cry about wings being bad , mean while im enjoying the heck out of this rebuild watching the prospects develop . and the detractors live in denial about how long it takes to rebuild an empty nhl depth chart . and are crying for quick fixes at the cost of long term success while ignoring all the monsters yzerman has stacked up on the draft floor ! i hope henkka's saving every red wing bashing thread so we can have a big bash the bash thread 2026/27

*i know , all the bashers know better than yzerman :dunce:

*mean while kasper just joined the stock pile of yzer'locks monster draft pix , and pelli just rocked another season . but lets bitch 24/7 :dunce:
And Soderblom came back and looks OK. And (to me) AlJo looks serviceable. I'm just parroting smart people now, but with Seider, Edvinsson, AlJo, and an addition, isn't that a soild 1-2, 3-4 D pair that they don't have to worry about anymore? And Chiarot as 5 or 6 doesn't feel wrong at all. To me.
 
And Soderblom came back and looks OK. And (to me) AlJo looks serviceable. I'm just parroting smart people now, but with Seider, Edvinsson, AlJo, and an addition, isn't that a soild 1-2, 3-4 D pair that they don't have to worry about anymore? And Chiarot as 5 or 6 doesn't feel wrong at all. To me.

Plus a full training camp with Mclellan, and prospects like ASP, Danielson, Cossa, etc. potentially cracking the lineup.
 
Plus a full training camp with Mclellan, and prospects like ASP, Danielson, Cossa, etc. potentially cracking the lineup.
I know nothing, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Todd & SY had a conversation like this:

T: What do you want?
S: I want to know who stays. Push 'em.
T: How hard?
S: It's your team.
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T: So, we did what we could with what we have, and dropped a little, which we figured was gonna happen.
S: Who stays?
T: I have a list...

Honestly, with where this team was, and who they showed themselves to be - to me, balking under a coach and system you don't like is a bit of a dick move - I wouldn't be surprised if McLellan's MAIN goal the last half of the season was evaluation, playoffs be damned.

And now he has a LOT of data and first-hand observation.
 
I know nothing, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Todd & SY had a conversation like this:

T: What do you want?
S: I want to know who stays. Push 'em.
T: How hard?
S: It's your team.
.
.
.
T: So, we did what we could with what we have, and dropped a little, which we figured was gonna happen.
S: Who stays?
T: I have a list...

Honestly, with where this team was, and who they showed themselves to be - to me, balking under a coach and system you don't like is a bit of a dick move - I wouldn't be surprised if McLellan's MAIN goal the last half of the season was evaluation, playoffs be damned.

And now he has a LOT of data and first-hand observation.
I've never quite known what to make of the Pierre Luc-Dubois stuff, but Kings fans seem to think McLellan had a big issue with him. Perhaps after the Lalonde experience, Steve was willing to hire McLellan and have the conversation you suggest.
 
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Larkin has no trade clause, if he wants out, he decides where he wants to go. And that team in question has no need to pay value. That is no-win situation, like DeBrincat trade. Cat wanted to come to Detroit and Sens got late 1st+UFA winger+AHL/ECHL tweener prospect. Larkin trade would fetch better package than that but nowhere near Fantilli/Byfield-department what people seems to be expecting.
True, but you can't kiss Larkin's soft ass. If you think he's not going to cut it, you have to move on. Keeping him would sabotage McLellan and ultimately Yzerman. Don't fall for the sunk cost fallacy, if Yzerman doesn't think he can win with Larkin you have to bite the bullet and move on.
 
People think Yzerman can not win a Larkin trade. Much depends on how it might plays out. Right now there is no urgency to make the trade. Not often is a good captain, with a good contract, available. Let the offers come in and see what happens. I would not play poker against Yzerman.

The time table is really set around Seider, Edvinsson, Kasper, Raymond, and ASP who make up the core.
You have to get Larkin to give a list of teams where he would accept a trade and then let Yzerman figure out which team would give him the best return. This isn't DeBrincat wanting to come back to Michigan, this is Larkin wanting to play on a winner I guess. If he's fairly open on his destination that would improve the chances of making a good trade.
 
Honestly why discuss this so much. I don't think Larkin takes it as a big deal and for sure not Yzerman either. Both are aware that if there was some more optimal fit, there would have been a trade or two, but it just wasn't there.

Patience is key, this team will be really good 2-3 years down the road.
 
Honestly why discuss this so much. I don't think Larkin takes it as a big deal and for sure not Yzerman either. Both are aware that if there was some more optimal fit, there would have been a trade or two, but it just wasn't there.

Patience is key, this team will be really good 2-3 years down the road.
Why do you think Steve Yzerman hasn't given his end of season press conference yet?
 
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Why do you think Steve Yzerman hasn't given his end of season press conference yet?
I don't know. Isn't he always slow with this stuff? Also someone mentioned he is at the U18 World Championship. Might be some other elements to where they want to have certain meetings before having the media press conference. Don't think its anything special reason for it, just logistics.
 
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