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So, is this offside or not?

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NHL says it's onside... and resulted in a good goal.
 
Cant tell by that frame. That one shows both the puck and skate passed the line. I am fine with reviews, but they should be time limited. If officials cant overrule the call in 2min the call on the ice stands. If its that close that its taking 5min + just go with the call on the ice.
 
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Need more views, maybe the overhead, can’t even tell from picture if puck is over blueline yet for sure. (Too grainy)
to the one poster, it’s the plane of the line, skate doesn’t have to be on the ice anymore.
 
Sure it is, people need to look at just more than the puck & who has it.

There is one player from each team way ahead of the line, so no matter who it is behind them with the puck (can't really see who had possession as their jersey was cut out of the picture), 'someone' was offsides.
 
Rec T said:
Sure it is, people need to look at just more than the puck & who has it.

There is one player from each team way ahead of the line, so no matter who it is behind them with the puck (can't really see who had possession as their jersey was cut out of the picture), 'someone' was offsides.
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Look at the socks, to see who is who.
Need an overhead view, refs have like 5 views or so, this is just one grainy view.
 
Golden_Jet said:
Look at the socks, to see who is who.
Need an overhead view, refs have like 5 views or so, this is just one grainy view.
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Ah, good point.

Still doesn't change that there was one player from each team way across the line on the left side of the picture...
 
Rec T said:
Ah, good point.

Still doesn't change that there was one player from each team way across the line on the left side of the picture...
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Like I said need more views, like the refs had vs one grainy one.
Doesn’t matter where the Jets skate is.
 
Hennessy said:
I'm confused. Are you saying that both skaters were offside?
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No, I'm saying that with a skater from each team, each having both skates over the line ahead of the puck (as can be seen in the picture), it doesn't matter who had possession, 'one' of them (on the team with the puck) would have been offsides.
 
Almost certainly offside, considering the puck is at least millimeters from the line and the trailing skate is at least a couple of inches off the ice.

I don't mind the call overall, but it's kind of harsh to have the Jets face a penalty when it's a situation like this. One option is to take away a challenge rather than giving a penalty if the refs feel the call is very close. It's possible the Jets had angles that looked more clear, so an honest mistake.
 
Whileee said:
Almost certainly offside, considering the puck is at least millimeters from the line and the trailing skate is at least a couple of inches off the ice.
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Skate being off the ice doesn’t matter anymore, changed a few years ago. It’s the natural plane from the overhead view.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
Skate being off the ice doesn’t matter anymore, changed a few years ago. It’s the natural plane from the overhead view.
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Thanks. Puck is still closer to the line than the skate, so almost certainly offside.

My main point is that if the refs can't really tell and they don't know what the teams see, it's a bit harsh to impose a penalty. Could have an intermediate situation where refs decide it's inconclusive both ways and take away a challenge or time-out rather than assign a penalty.

Or, just get rid of the challenge and leave it to a central control room to review and overturn if it's a clear offside that was missed.
 
Rec T said:
No, I'm saying that with a skater from each team, each having both skates over the line ahead of the puck (as can be seen in the picture), it doesn't matter who had possession, 'one' of them (on the team with the puck) would have been offsides.
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Can you explain further? I have no idea what you are trying to say. Why are you referencing players from both teams? All the matters is the team on the offensive here, the defending team can be absolutely anywhere on the ice, will make no difference whether we are dealing with an offside or not.

The "image" shown above is definitely not enough to show whether it was offside or not though, quality is so bad....it looks like both the player and the puck are over the line, we need to know which one was first, cant' tell from the picture. I'm guessing the call on the ice stood because they couldn't get a definitive review from the video, which I'm fine with.
 
Whileee said:
Thanks. Puck is still closer to the line than the skate, so almost certainly offside.

My main point is that if the refs can't really tell and they don't know what the teams see, it's a bit harsh to impose a penalty. Could have an intermediate situation where refs decide it's inconclusive both ways and take away a challenge or time-out rather than assign a penalty.

Or, just get rid of the challenge and leave it to a central control room to review and overturn if it's a clear offside that was missed.
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I can’t make any determination, without access to the overhead camera, and all the other angles ref get, as well as a blown up version. Just can’t tell enough from the grainy still. I could guess but would like to see more angles.
 
Whileee said:
Thanks. Puck is still closer to the line than the skate, so almost certainly offside.

My main point is that if the refs can't really tell and they don't know what the teams see, it's a bit harsh to impose a penalty. Could have an intermediate situation where refs decide it's inconclusive both ways and take away a challenge or time-out rather than assign a penalty.

Or, just get rid of the challenge and leave it to a central control room to review and overturn if it's a clear offside that was missed.
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Penalty is not harsh at all....you can easily avoid the penalty by not challenging the call on the ice. Without the penalty, you'd have coaches challenging everything possible, because why not, no downside?
 
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Toby91ca said:
Penalty is not harsh at all....you can easily avoid the penalty by not challenging the call on the ice. Without the penalty, you'd have coaches challenging everything possible, because why not, no downside?
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My preference is to not have any offside challenge and leave it to a cursory review by the command centre for obvious misses, if that.

If the number of challenges is limited and penalties are assigned if the refs determine that the evidence is clear, then there is an inherent penalty for frivolous challenges.

My point is that with the current challenge rule you have cases like this where Arniel and the Jets were probably correct (and might have even had clearer evidence than the officials), assigning a penalty punishes a team / coach for a good-faith challenge.
 
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The one issue I have with the challenges is that the team has like 20-30 seconds to decide if they want to challenge or not, yet the refs have a week and a half to review basically the same image.

And another issue is, say the call on the ice is good goal, then it's challenged, then the refs go away and review it for a fortnight, and then the refs come back and say after reviewing the play it's a good goal... when in fact it's inconclusive because it took a fortnight to review it. Basically, the refs don't have the balls to say it's inconclusive so the call on the ice stands. I agree with another poster... The refs / linesmen should have no more than 2 minutes to do the review. If you can't see what you need to see in 2 minutes, you never will.

And don't get me started on goaltender interference.
 
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