So back to the choking in the PO....do points make up for lack of goals?

[PistolPete]

I was going over Mike Gartner's stats because anyone who watched hockey in the 80s knows he had a bad PO reputation.

Something jumped out at me.

In 1986,, he scored only 2 goals in 9 games. But here's the kicker:

He got 12 points in those 9 games- off of 10 assists and those two goals.

What's more? During the 6 game series loss to NYR, in the 6 games he got those 2 goals along with 8 assists for 10 points.

7 of those points came in two games.

So in a given PO season or over the course of a career, if a goal scorer suddenly proves an adept ser up man, is he still considered a choker or must he perform his regular duties well during the PO as well?

(If anyone can equate a more recent player to this kind of performance, much appreciated. I have mental block and couldn't even hazard a guess who to take a peek at to start a search)

 

[tarheelhockey]

When it comes to “choking” reputations, it doesn’t seem to matter how it went down. They either win or they don’t. See: Marcel Dionne getting a label for not delivering in the playoffs, after dragging a horrible team behind him all season.

 

[KingsFan7824]

41g, 76pts per 82 regular season games

29g, 63pts per 82 playoff games

That's a different player from one to the next. A 30g average in the playoffs isn't nothing, it's great, but it's the drop. Same with guys like Matthews and Marner. Their drop in goals is even worse. It would be like Gartner having fallen to a 20g guy in the playoffs.

If your team is where it is because Player A is doing X, but in the real games, he's doing Y, I don't know if that's choking, that can be a loaded word, but generally you need that guy to do what he does. Goals are to important come playoff time, so you can't lose that many.

If you score 50, but then 0 in the playoffs, but the team wins, nobody cares. Winning cures all.

 

[Frank Drebin]

When it comes to “choking” reputations, it doesn’t seem to matter how it went down. They either win or they don’t. See: Marcel Dionne getting a label for not delivering in the playoffs, after dragging a horrible team behind him all season.

Dionnes production really dropped off in the playoffs though

1.31 ppg in regular season
.92 ppg in the playoffs

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dionnes production really dropped off in the playoffs though

1.31 ppg in regular season
.92 ppg in the playoffs

That’s what happens when a team is getting its ass kicked.

 

[Frank Drebin]

That’s what happens when a team is getting its ass kicked.

Some players manage to produce despite. Mackinnon as an example.

 

[PistolPete]

41g, 76pts per 82 regular season games

29g, 63pts per 82 playoff games

That's a different player from one to the next. A 30g average in the playoffs isn't nothing, it's great, but it's the drop. Same with guys like Matthews and Marner. Their drop in goals is even worse. It would be like Gartner having fallen to a 20g guy in the playoffs.

If your team is where it is because Player A is doing X, but in the real games, he's doing Y, I don't know if that's choking, that can be a loaded word, but generally you need that guy to do what he does. Goals are to important come playoff time, so you can't lose that many.

If you score 50, but then 0 in the playoffs, but the team wins, nobody cares. Winning cures all.

Very true.

If you're the team's finisher in the RS but then become the passer in the PO, it leaves a void- a role unfulfilled.

Perhaps choking wouldn't be quite the word but it does mess things up for the team.

 

[atlanticobserver]

Did you all miss the Kucherov threads talking about how he hasn't scored in his last 13 playoff games or whatever? Dude is still a point per game in the last three playoff runs despite playing poorly. And not like he is a loser either, top 20ish all time in playoff points and two rings. So no, I don't think anyone really thinks that points alone are the end all be all unless there are healthy goal totals.

 

[PistolPete]

Did you all miss the Kucherov threads talking about how he hasn't scored in his last 13 playoff games or whatever? Dude is still a point per game in the last three playoff runs despite playing poorly. And not like he is a loser either, top 20ish all time in playoff points and two rings. So no, I don't think anyone really thinks that points alone are the end all be all unless there are healthy goal totals.

So are you saying Kucherov is choker or no?

 

[chaser17]

Is there any way to filter out empty net stats too? I feel like lots of guys pad their numbers that way too.

 

[PistolPete]

Is there any way to filter out empty net stats too? I feel like lots of guys pad their numbers that way too.

Maybe these days.

But ecen still, I haven't seen any EN totals that jumped out at me.

What I would find interesting is goals by goal spread.

A guy scoring in an 5-1 loss is different from a 5-1 win which is different than even a 3-1 win.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

A point’s a point, g

 

[PistolPete]

A point’s a point, g

You have a point.