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I am so pissed I can't find the Rocket Raccoon "Oh. Yeah." GIF anywhere on the allowed GIFs for this site. Because that's my feelings on this.

Oh. f***ing. Yeah.
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Gotta know where you found it, because I was having a hell of a time finding it on GIPHY and the other GIF site has malware (so my computer can't go there).
I just Googled “rocket oh yeah gif” to find it, then saved it to my iPad so I could attach it.
 
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I just Googled “rocket oh yeah gif” to find it, then saved it to my iPad so I could attach it.

Fair enough. Don't have an iPad, sadly (I use a laptop). Did the same Googling thing (as well as YouTube), but couldn't really find it. Only real complaint I have about how this site runs is that GIFs aren't easy to find.

But anyway, SNUGGY'S f***ING HERE, CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES, STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONSHIP, HERE WE COME!
 
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I heard he’s not too good defensively and not very physical. Don’t like the sound of that
I’m not saying he’s ever going to be a defensive stalwart, but it’s almost gotten to the point where armchair scouts online just critique prospects’ defensive games because they think they sound smart doing it.

Like, pointing out that a 20-year old isn’t good defensively is like telling someone that babies cry a lot. It’s the most obvious thing that can be said. It’s also completely normal development. The NHL game is so far ahead of any developmental league that players are going to have to learn defense while they’re in the NHL. Gifted offensive players are just simply not going to be fully ready defensively the moment they step into the pros. It doesn’t happen like that.

Even guys who are now good in their own zone, like Robert Thomas, sucked at that part of the game when they were 20. And this isn’t to say that I think Snuggerud will ever get to Thomas’ level defensively because I don’t think he will, but I’m just pointing out that this is the case for almost everyone, and it’s not that big of a deal. We’ve seen guys like Tarasenko, Kyrou, Bolduc make strides in this area, and as long as Snuggerud gives his honest effort and can do similar to what they did, then that will be enough.
 
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When that thing happens that was always going to happen and everyone else is freaking out.

I’m not saying he’s ever going to be a defensive stalwart, but it’s almost gotten to the point where armchair scouts online just critique prospects’ defensive games because they think they sound smart doing it.

Its just as common to ignore legit criticism of a prospect because he is our prospect and had success at lower levels. Everyone was hyping Dvo and how ready he was. People attacked @PerryTurnbullfan who obviously watches a ton of Tbirds because he said Dvo wasn't ready. Then Dvo came up and wasn't ready. Nobody is saying Snuggy won't ever be a great player. They are just pointing out potential concerns for his near future (this year/next year) success.
 
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When that thing happens that was always going to happen and everyone else is freaking out.



It’s just as common to ignore legit criticism of a prospect because he is our prospect and had success at lower levels. Everyone was hyping Dvo and how ready he was. People attacked @PerryTurnbullfan who obviously watches a ton of Tbirds because he said Dvo wasn't ready. Then Dvo came up and wasn't ready. Nobody is saying Snuggy won't ever be a great player. They are just pointing out potential concerns for his near future 9this year/next year) success.
It does go both ways but I have seen a shift more towards being overly critical. I have not seen anyone attack Perry for his thoughts about Dvorsky, but maybe it happened I’m not sure.

But, Dvorsky played one game. To make any conclusions off of that is not really fair, as he looked like almost everyone else does in their first game. I don’t understand how we’ve already come to the conclusion that he’s not ready.

And I’m not saying he is, because he’s probably not but that’s my entire point. He’s 19 years old. So of course he’s not polished, that’s basically impossible. He’s not going to ever be fully “ready” until he starts getting NHL reps and making mistakes and learning from it at the NHL level. That’s the next step that players need to take and he’s close to that step. So I appreciate Perry’s analysis on T-Birds games but it gets to a point where I’m not learning anything new because I already know that these young prospects are always going to have things to work on and a lot of that will have to be done at the NHL level.

The fact that Dvorsky and Snuggerud (come Monday) are with the team shows that the Blues at least think they are close to being ready. Even if they only see a couple games down the stretch, this tells me they are right where they need to be. We’ll see how they look, they’ll gain valuable experience by practicing and being around the team, and then they can train hard this Summer and have a shot to make the team out of training camp.
 
I love that we’re adding another legit sniper/one timer option to our arsenal, can’t wait to see how he gels with the team. Jimmy seems to have to leadership intangibles too he’s going to fit in nicely.
 
It does go both ways but I have seen a shift more towards being overly critical. I have not seen anyone attack Perry for his thoughts about Dvorsky, but maybe it happened I’m not sure.

But, Dvorsky played one game. To make any conclusions off of that is not really fair, as he looked like almost everyone else does in their first game. I don’t understand how we’ve already come to the conclusion that he’s not ready.

And I’m not saying he is, because he’s probably not but that’s my entire point. He’s 19 years old. So of course he’s not polished, that’s basically impossible. He’s not going to ever be fully “ready” until he starts getting NHL reps and making mistakes and learning from it at the NHL level. That’s the next step that players need to take and he’s close to that step. So I appreciate Perry’s analysis on T-Birds games but it gets to a point where I’m not learning anything new because I already know that these young prospects are always going to have things to work on and a lot of that will have to be done at the NHL level.

The fact that Dvorsky and Snuggerud (come Monday) are with the team shows that the Blues at least think they are close to being ready. Even if they only see a couple games down the stretch, this tells me they are right where they need to be. We’ll see how they look, they’ll gain valuable experience by practicing and being around the team, and then they can train hard this Summer and have a shot to make the team out of training camp.

It absolutely goes both ways. And I hate to appeal to authority, but Monty playing Texier over Dvorsky tells me he is not ready. He did not look ready in his limited play time. It's great that they are young kids and are getting a chance to hang around the team and practice with them. They both have potentially very bright futures. But it is not trying to make yourself sound smart to pump the brakes on people penciling a 19-year-old into our top line next year, or into our playoff run this year.
 
It absolutely goes both ways. And I hate to appeal to authority, but Monty playing Texier over Dvorsky tells me he is not ready. He did not look ready in his limited play time. It's great that they are young kids and are getting a chance to hang around the team and practice with them. They both have potentially very bright futures. But it is not trying to make yourself sound smart to pump the brakes on people penciling a 19-year-old into our top line next year, or into our playoff run this year.

I think he's ready for October hockey but less than 10 games left fighting for your playoff life? maybe not so much.
 
It absolutely goes both ways. And I hate to appeal to authority, but Monty playing Texier over Dvorsky tells me he is not ready. He did not look ready in his limited play time. It's great that they are young kids and are getting a chance to hang around the team and practice with them. They both have potentially very bright futures. But it is not trying to make yourself sound smart to pump the brakes on people penciling a 19-year-old into our top line next year, or into our playoff run this year.
I think it is a good thing to bring Dvo up. He needs to see in practice. You need to work on your skating. This is the pace of the game here, and you need to learn to play the rest of the game too. Springfield definitely could use him right now, but the Blues are the ultimate goal. I will be thoroughly surprised, if Dvo is playing regularly next year in St Louis. Maybe a few trips up and down with the big club to see where he is at.
 
It absolutely goes both ways. And I hate to appeal to authority, but Monty playing Texier over Dvorsky tells me he is not ready. He did not look ready in his limited play time. It's great that they are young kids and are getting a chance to hang around the team and practice with them. They both have potentially very bright futures. But it is not trying to make yourself sound smart to pump the brakes on people penciling a 19-year-old into our top line next year, or into our playoff run this year.
I think there’s a difference between “ready to dominate” and “ready to not embarrass yourself.” Bolduc is a perfect example, but it applies to basically everyone except #1 OA picks: it takes time to get used to this league. Not a couple of games, but closer to 100. It just depends on where you want to invest. You either take the good with the bad with the young guys because getting them to 100 games is worth it, or you play vets with far less upside but maybe give you a better chance to win today.

Clearly, the organization thinks both Dvo and Snuggy are ready to start contributing. I don’t think anybody has the expectation that they will be flawless. Like Bolduc, getting benched doesn’t mean a young player “isn’t ready,” it just means they’re young and they have stuff to work on. As long as they’re coachable it’s not a big deal. And unless they’re missing big chunks of games, as long as the roster limits are gone there’s really nothing to lose by keeping them around. Get ‘em goin now.
 
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It absolutely goes both ways. And I hate to appeal to authority, but Monty playing Texier over Dvorsky tells me he is not ready. He did not look ready in his limited play time. It's great that they are young kids and are getting a chance to hang around the team and practice with them. They both have potentially very bright futures. But it is not trying to make yourself sound smart to pump the brakes on people penciling a 19-year-old into our top line next year, or into our playoff run this year.
Let’s not act like the fact that Texier is playing is an indictment on Dvorsky. Texier has scored a couple goals since getting back into the lineup and has played pretty well. It’s not true to act like he flat out sucks.

The team has won 8 games in a row. It makes sense to not want to mess with the chemistry that they have going.

That’s why Dvorsky isn’t playing. It’s not necessarily because the Blues don’t think he’s ready.
 
I’m not saying he’s ever going to be a defensive stalwart, but it’s almost gotten to the point where armchair scouts online just critique prospects’ defensive games because they think they sound smart doing it.

Like, pointing out that a 20-year old isn’t good defensively is like telling someone that babies cry a lot. It’s the most obvious thing that can be said. It’s also completely normal development. The NHL game is so far ahead of any developmental league that players are going to have to learn defense while they’re in the NHL. Gifted offensive players are just simply not going to be fully ready defensively the moment they step into the pros. It doesn’t happen like that.

Even guys who are now good in their own zone, like Robert Thomas, sucked at that part of the game when they were 20. And this isn’t to say that I think Snuggerud will ever get to Thomas’ level defensively because I don’t think he will, but I’m just pointing out that this is the case for almost everyone, and it’s not that big of a deal. We’ve seen guys like Tarasenko, Kyrou, Bolduc make strides in this area, and as long as Snuggerud gives his honest effort and can do similar to what they did, then that will be enough.

This is the reason why he almost certainly won't start next year on the first line like some fans would like to see. Even if he has NHL-level offensive talents, it's a lot to ask a rookie to take the match-ups that the Thomas line routinely gets.

It takes pretty much every player time to adjust to the NHL game where any player can burn you if you make a mistake. I have no doubt he'll improve like Neighbours has and Bolduc is doing right now, but it will take time and reps. But that's nothing to worry about for now. It will be up to him to put in the work and effort but trying to predict what kind of a player he'll become is just a guessing game at this point. Gotta like the potential though, that's for sure.
 
I think there’s a difference between “ready to dominate” and “ready to not embarrass yourself.” Bolduc is a perfect example, but it applies to basically everyone except #1 OA picks: it takes time to get used to this league. Not a couple of games, but closer to 100. It just depends on where you want to invest. You either take the good with the bad with the young guys because getting them to 100 games is worth it, or you play vets with far less upside but maybe give you a better chance to win today.

Clearly, the organization thinks both Dvo and Snuggy are ready to start contributing. I don’t think anybody has the expectation that they will be flawless. Like Bolduc, getting benched doesn’t mean a young player “isn’t ready,” it just means they’re young and they have stuff to work on. As long as they’re coachable it’s not a big deal. And unless they’re missing big chunks of games, as long as the roster limits are gone there’s really nothing to lose by keeping them around. Get ‘em goin now.

Well said, but I think it's more likely we'll "get 'em goin" next year rather than this one. As you said, it's tough for all kids to adjust to the NHL but jumping right into the home stretch of a playoff race might be asking a bit much at this point. Simply having them practice with the team and having them observe how NHL players approach the game is extremely valuable even if they aren't playing right now.
 
I think Snuggerud is good enough that he could make a difference this year. I’d like to get him some action before the playoffs in case he needs to step in.
 
I wasn't nervous about him going back to school or trying to force his way out, but it is always nice to have the certainty of a signature on the contract.

It will be interesting to see when he gets his first NHL game. I certainly wasn't expecting to still be on this winning streak when he signed and the momentum of that type of streak makes it hard to insert a new player barring injury necessity. From his perspective, it might not be the ideal timing to joint the team. But on the flipside, this win streak has created some breathing room and continuing the streak will further increase our playoff chances. At some point in the next couple weeks, we are either going to have the streak ended (and give the coach a reason to make a lineup tweak) or we're going to find ourselves comfortably in playoff position. Either way, he joins practice today and can start creating an on-ice impression with Monty.

I'm hoping we can get him into the game tomorrow or Thursday. I'd prefer a home game to manage matchups and I think Detroit and Pittsburgh are objectively easier matchups than the Colorado, @winnipeg, and @Edmonton stretch we have after them.
 
I wasn't nervous about him going back to school or trying to force his way out, but it is always nice to have the certainty of a signature on the contract.

It will be interesting to see when he gets his first NHL game. I certainly wasn't expecting to still be on this winning streak when he signed and the momentum of that type of streak makes it hard to insert a new player barring injury necessity. From his perspective, it might not be the ideal timing to joint the team. But on the flipside, this win streak has created some breathing room and continuing the streak will further increase our playoff chances. At some point in the next couple weeks, we are either going to have the streak ended (and give the coach a reason to make a lineup tweak) or we're going to find ourselves comfortably in playoff position. Either way, he joins practice today and can start creating an on-ice impression with Monty.

I'm hoping we can get him into the game tomorrow or Thursday. I'd prefer a home game to manage matchups and I think Detroit and Pittsburgh are objectively easier matchups than the Colorado, @winnipeg, and @Edmonton stretch we have after them.
I do think we keep the same team rolling, but it will be interesting when insert Dvorsky or Snuggerud for some minutes. We probably don't have to wait for it to be mathmatically clinched, but Monty probably wants to keep the main group group, especially if he thinks the main group will be what he uses first in the playoffs.

Looking at the games, I'd agree, Detroit or Pittsburgh make sense matchup wise. I wouldn't play them against Avs, Jets, or Oilers. Then you have Seattle on the road and Utah at home. Utah at home feels like a lock, as long as it's not a must-win.
 

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