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I liked Snow White as a kid. It's not my favorite Disney movie, but I think I'd put it in my top 10. I watched the film because I was curious.

Snow White is Disney's first animated film. Expectations should be high...but it's Disney. They started off by creating controversy by picking someone who's not "skin as white as snow". In this version, she's called Snow White because she was born on the day of a snow storm.. ok fine...but they changed the entire story. The story is changed, there's no prince, but there's a bandit named Johnathon, the clothes look like they came from a Halloween store, cgi is pretty bad, the acting is absolutely horrible, the extra unwanted songs, the most iconic song is missing, and the CGI dwarves are creepy looking because Peter Dinklage had to run mouth.


It starts off with the Queen, King and Snow White. They go on about how she needs to be kind, brave and a leader. The mother dies and then the father marries the Evil Queen. The father leaves to go search for something and never returns. The queen gives Snow White a Lord Farquaad haircut and makes her a servant. Snow White is sweeping and hears a noise. She finds a Bandit Johnathon stealing food. She tells him to leave. The Bandit gets caught. Snow White tells the Queen the Father would be merciful. She gives food to the bandit. The Queen asks the Huntsman to take Snow White apple picking and kill her. The Huntsman doesn't kill her, she runs in the forest and finds the Dwarves house. She doesn't clean or cook, but goes directly to bed. She greets the Dwarves when they return home. The very next day she gets them to clean the house. She then leaves because it's not safe. The queen is told she's still not the fairest of them all. She finds an apple when she opens the box. She starts singing and puts the huntsman in the dungeons. She tells all the guards to find and kill snow white. While Snow White is walking in the forest, she is saved by the bandit Johnathon when the guards are running by. There's a song and she decides to fight with the Bandits. Johnathon gets shot by an arrow. Then they go back to the dwarves house, Doc fixes him up and have a party. The next day the Queen shows up at the door. The weirdest looking CGI old lady. She tells Snow White I am a friend of the bandit and her father. She takes the apple for her journey back to the castle. She eats it and passes out. As she passes out, the Queen tells her I killed your father. The dwarves come back to find her half dead. They put her on a stone. The bandit returns to her and kisses her. She wakes up and wants revenge. She returns to the village. The villagers gather around her and start singing. Everyone knows all the villagers are professional singers. She goes to confront the queen. The queen creates a dagger and tells a guard to kill her. Snow White says a speech. The guards turn against the Queen. Snow White tells the Queen the Scar speech. The exact quote from the Lion King , minus "Simba". "Runaway Queen and never return." The Queen is about to stab her and one of the bandits pops up from on top of the castle, shoots her hand with an arrow. She then runs back to the mirror and asks who's the fairest of them all. The mirror says Snow White. The queen breaks the mirror and then the mirror obliterates her into pieces. Then it ends with a Diddy party.

The movie is beyond bad. I am not even joking or trolling. If given two options, "Eat the poisoned apple" or "Watch the movie again." I am eating the apple without hesitation. I am still trying to figure out if I find it worse than The Lion King remake. Surprisingly, Zegler is not even the worse thing about this movie. Maybe things would have gone different if she would have just shut her f***ing mouth. Then again, the story was changed. I don't think her shutting her mouth could have saved this disaster. If only they had kept the story as is, maybe the movie could have been half decent.

1.5-2/10. The only reason I am not giving it a zero is due to Zegler's signing. She has a nice voice.


Can't wait for the next Disney Live action!!!
 
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Jussi said:
Isn't it the whole point of the story thought? The evil queen is pretty on her own but insecure as hell? Once Upon A Time show went into that pretty well.
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Personally I always thought the Evil Queen was hotter than S.W. but maybe I'm just an Evil Queen kind of guy.
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I think there's also a theory that the mirror was referring to the inner beauty.
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In the original German fairy tale, Snow White's mother wishes for a daughter with skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony. She doesn't wish for a daughter that's kind and compassionate, but one with physical attributes that, at the time, were considered most attractive. I've also heard that the word that got translated into English as "fairest" means "attractive" in German and nothing else. So, I don't think that there's any doubt that the mirror was referring to physical beauty. This version changed it to inner beauty, presumably because praising physical beauty isn't politically correct these days.

That's a shame, not just because they changed the story, but because they could've kept it about physical beauty while making a point that's still relevant today, much like The Substance did. That movie is all about physical beauty and the envy and self destruction that sometimes accompanies the pursuit of it. In fact, Demi Moore's character envies Margaret Qualley's character for her youth and beauty much like the Evil Queen envies Snow White. This remake was an opportunity for Disney to make a child-friendly version that taught young girls about the danger of vanity and envy, but they chose to go in a different direction.
 
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In the original German fairy tale, Snow White's mother wishes for a daughter with skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony. She doesn't wish for a daughter that's kind and compassionate, but one with physical attributes that, at the time, were considered most attractive. I've also heard that the word that got translated into English as "fairest" means "attractive" in German and nothing else. So, I don't think that there's any doubt that the mirror was referring to physical beauty. That's not politically correct these days, though, so Disney changed it in this movie to refer to inner beauty.

That's a huge shame, not just because they changed the story, but because they could've kept it about physical beauty while making a point that's still relevant today, much like The Substance did. That movie is all about physical beauty and the envy and self destruction that sometimes accompanies the pursuit of it. In fact, Demi Moore's character envies Margaret Qualley's character for her youth and beauty much like the Evil Queen envies Snow White. This remake could've been a great way for Disney to make a child-friendly version that taught young girls about the perils of vanity and envy, but they chose to fundamentally alter the story, instead.
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Uhm, diudn't the animated movie refer to the outer beauty? Or it was interpreted back then before people began analyzing stuff (too much)?

Leave that sort of stuff to A24 etc. Ultimately inner beauty/being a good person>>>pretty on the outside, rotten on the inside is the best morale to teach for the kids, especially these days.

Disclaimer, I haven't even seen the animated movie, only read the comic/children's book version as a very young kid.
 
The whole Zegler bad mouthing the movie thing is such a weird case. I think like in hockey, people would prefer that actors and musicians be authentic rather than play a character in interviews, if they even care what a celebrity has to say in the first place.

But Zegler's interviews from two years ago were just understandably bad PR. I'm the kind of person that I don't get bothered by diversity and inclusivity in media which seems to be the trend these days, and I don't mind reimagining of existing stories as long as it's good. But the way Zegler talked about the original Disney animated movie was just so condescending. Like sure, for some, some of the concepts might be dated but the way she railed into those themes/concepts had this tone of like, "you're in the wrong if you don't recognize and agree with this new way of looking at the world." that's not how you encourage someone to change their thinking. It just comes off as condescending and rude.

I really didn't have much interest in seeing this as a result. I don't have some deep fondness for the original where I have to white knight for it, but considering its groundbreaking place in the history of cinema, I think a little more reverence is due or at least some awareness that shit talking a classic might turn people off. Part of me thinks it's pretty hilarious that it's a steaming pile.
 
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Jussi said:
Uhm, diudn't the animated movie refer to the outer beauty?
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Yes, that's the point. The animated movie referred to outer beauty, like the original fairy tale.
Ultimately inner beauty/being a good person>>>pretty on the outside, rotten on the inside is the best morale to teach for the kids, especially these days.
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Yes, that's essentially the animated movie's moral and what this version goes away from, since looks have nothing to do with it and the inner qualities have more to do with being a fair and just leader.
 
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The whole Zegler bad mouthing the movie thing is such a weird case. I think like in hockey, people would prefer that actors and musicians be authentic rather than play a character in interviews, if they even care what a celebrity has to say in the first place.

But Zegler's interviews from two years ago were just understandably bad PR. I'm the kind of person that I don't get bothered by diversity and inclusivity in media which seems to be the trend these days, and I don't mind reimagining of existing stories as long as it's good. But the way Zegler talked about the original Disney animated movie was just so condescending. Like sure, for some, some of the concepts might be dated but the way she railed into those themes/concepts had this tone of like, "you're in the wrong if you don't recognize and agree with this new way of looking at the world." that's not how you encourage someone to change their thinking. It just comes off as condescending and rude.

I really didn't have much interest in seeing this as a result. I don't have some deep fondness for the original where I have to white knight for it, but considering its groundbreaking place in the history of cinema, I think a little more reverence is due or at least some awareness that shit talking a classic might turn people off. Part of me thinks it's pretty hilarious that it's a steaming pile.
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I don't mind celebrities being authentic. She was shitting on the og movie. The movie that put Disney on the map. She also said "If have to wear a dress for 18 hours then I deserved to be paid for every hour it's streamed" Poor child, gets paid to wear a dress for 18 hours. The horror! Then her tweets didn't help.

There was controversy when Halle was hired to play Ariel in the Little Mermaid. The only difference is she shut the f*** up and didn't create anymore controversy. You know what? I enjoyed the Little Mermaid live action and her voice was almost identical as the og. She was wonderful.

Like I said in my og post, she was fine in the movie and her signing was great. The movie was going to fail regardless because it was horrible. Her acting and signing wasn't the cause of it. Her big mouth had to put the final nail in the coffin.
 
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I don't mind celebrities being authentic. She was shitting on the og movie. The movie that put Disney on the map. She also said "If have to wear a dress for 18 hours then I deserved to be paid for every hour it's streamed" Poor child, gets paid to wear a dress for 18 hours. The horror! Then her tweets didn't help.

There was controversy when Halle was hired to play Ariel in the Little Mermaid. The only difference is she shut the f*** up and didn't create anymore controversy. You know what? I enjoyed the Littler Mermaid live action and her voice was almost identical as the og.

Like I said in my og post, she was fine in the movie and her signing was great. The movie was going to fail regardless because it was horrible. Her acting and signing wasn't the cause of it. Her big mouth had to put the final nail in the coffin.
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Well probably the first nail, sounds like Gal Gadot's horrendous acting is the big talking point right now.
 
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Well probably the first nail, sounds like Gal Gadot's horrendous acting is the big talking point right now.
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I've seen that and it comes across as trying to deflect the blame elsewhere. Few, if any, people are staying home because of Gadot's acting. They're staying home because of Zegler's comments, how the film looks and the changes to the story. We've known that this would happen for nearly two years now. I almost created a thread two Summers ago to discuss the train wreck that this movie was shaping up to be. It's only in the last couple of days that Disney and Zegler defenders have tried to change the narrative and blame Gadot, as if anyone expected good acting from her in the first place. She may deserve criticism, but she's not why the film is bombing.
 
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Well probably the first nail, sounds like Gal Gadot's horrendous acting is the big talking point right now.
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She wasn't the worst actor in the film, but she was still pretty bad and her singing was worse. She started off fine and then it went downhill. I'd probably list her as number 4 or 5 as the worst actor in the movie. The worst one was the Huntsman. He was acting like he was trying his hardest to hold in a shit the entire film. A lot of the acting was over the top and forced.
 
It's a catastrophic failure and exactly what they f***ing deserve.

Run out of ideas? Remake a classic animated movie and try to make everyone feel bad/offended about the original while adding no good substance of any kind and dousing the audience with your stupid-ass social commentary.

So happy it's bombing. People are finally getting sick of this shit. If you're going to make remakes, make them good movies and don't insult your original audience, you arrogant morons.
 
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It's a catastrophic failure and exactly what they f***ing deserve.

Run out of ideas? Remake a classic animated movie and try to make everyone feel bad/offended about the original while adding no good substance of any kind and dousing the audience with your stupid-ass social commentary.

So happy it's bombing. People are finally getting sick of this shit. If you're going to make remakes, make them good movies and don't insult your original audience, you arrogant morons.
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I haven't watched the remakes and in fact in many cases haven't even watched the original. But, Aladdin and Lion King were successful, both critically and financially. Even The Little Mermaid ended up making profit due to having good legs (pun intended). Though not Disney, the upcoming live action How To Train Your Dragon (another one I haven't watched), which is being shown at CinemaCon this week, is apparently a shot-for-shot remake, yet people seem to be excited for it.
 
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