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Slava Voynov

Bandit said:
Really? I don't recall a lot of complaints about Voynov prior to his suspension. Of course, it's been almost a year so maybe my memory is a little foggy.

As to why he was "sucking", well it seems obvious doesn't it? You don't just suddenly wake up one day when the sun is shining and the birds are cooing and say to yourself "Today.. today I'm going to beat my wife!"
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Check the game threads from 2013-14. He was continuously referred to as a "dumpster fire." Much more subtler complaints included words like "disappointing," etc.

So Voynov wasn't playing as well as some people would have liked his first major contract year (I believe it was, anyway). Posters here were definitely negatively-inclined about his play AND his production. I recall quite a number of posters piling on.
 
kingsholygrail said:
So was Michael Vick and arguably a lot of people care more about dogs than they do humans, from a PR perspective.
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I remember when that was going on and that was very odd to me. The horror from the public about how he mistreated dogs was strange when most people couldn't care less how poorly an animal that ends up on their plate is treated.

Ron said:
Check the game threads from 2013-14. He was continuously referred to as a "dumpster fire." Much more subtler complaints included words like "disappointing," etc.

So Voynov wasn't playing as well as some people would have liked his first major contract year (I believe it was, anyway). Posters here were definitely negatively-inclined about his play AND his production. I recall quite a number of posters piling on.
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I was complaining about him quite a bit that season and i still believe he deserved the criticism. Sure, he will be missed and he was still a good player but he was not playing great. If I remember correctly, he seemed to have lost a step and was getting pushed off the puck quite easily. One of his greatest strengths early on was his ability to come out of a corner with the puck and skate it out while fighting off a check.
 
I remember one poster leading the way on how great our young defense is/was going to be at the time and there were very few posters that felt the same way.
 
Don't get your hopes up.

NHL is hell bent on boning the Voynov situation. The lack of consistency in this league is a joke.

 
Sol said:
Don't get your hopes up.

NHL is hell bent on boning the Voynov situation. The lack of consistency in this league is a joke.

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The NHL may make it hard but the NHLPA will be forced to fight. Voynov has had his conviction dismissed. He has served a long suspension already as well as been forced out of the country. Other players have been given shorter suspensions with an active conviction.
The NHLPA will be forced to take the NHL to court if a reasonable agreement can’t be made.
They will bring up the Austin Watson case
 
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onlyalad said:
The NHL may make it hard but the NHLPA will be forced to fight. Voynov has had his conviction dismissed. He has served a long suspension already as well as been forced out of the country. Other players have been given shorter suspensions with an active conviction.
The NHLPA will be forced to take the NHL to court if a reasonable agreement can’t be made.
They will bring up the Austin Watson case
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The NHLPA should fight for Voynov. What makes him any different than any other player who has ran afoul of the law?

Now if the NHL wants to work with the NHLPA to be more PC and going forward ban any player ever convicted of domestic abuse that's fine. What other crimes will cause a player to be banned?
 
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Just to pour some cold water on the Watson comparable...wasn't Voynov charged with a felony and then plead down to a misdemeanor while Watson was always in misdemeanor territory?

The end result might be the same, but the NHL is going to look at the actual severity of the incidents to try to stick it more to Voynov. The wheel of justice used for suspensions will be used in this case as well.

I've said the Kings won't bring him back but being in last place and irrelevant is probably the best time to do so from a PR perspective.
 
BigKing said:
Just to pour some cold water on the Watson comparable...wasn't Voynov charged with a felony and then plead down to a misdemeanor while Watson was always in misdemeanor territory?

The end result might be the same, but the NHL is going to look at the actual severity of the incidents to try to stick it more to Voynov. The wheel of justice used for suspensions will be used in this case as well.

I've said the Kings won't bring him back but being in last place and irrelevant is probably the best time to do so from a PR perspective.
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I know it was with pay but I imagine the NHLPA will argue time served for the suspension length as well.
 
No one is saying what Voynov did is not worse than Watson. But it's obvious it's much more of a spectacle for sure.


This is way more heavy handed in comparison.
 
YP44 said:
I know it was with pay but I imagine the NHLPA will argue time served for the suspension length as well.
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I wonder if the NHL CBA is like the NFL CBA where a player just has to pay back whatever money he should have lost during suspension in order for past games missed to count as suspended games.
 
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WHOneedsSOX said:
I wonder if the NHL CBA is like the NFL CBA where a player just has to pay back whatever money he should have lost during suspension in order for past games missed to count as suspended games.
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I do not believe so but do not know for sure. I know the NHL is the only league without a definitive domestic abuse policy.
 
kingsholygrail said:
Austin Watson is definitely his ticket back into the league.
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I am still trying to figure out how this example is close?

The only thing I have read about Watson is that he pushed her, and she had some red marks on her chest.

Slava on the other hand

Slava Voynov police report: argument details, choking, kicking alleged - Los Angeles Times

At Providence Little Company of Mary Medical Center in Torrance, where Varlamova sought treatment, the Redondo Beach officers noted she had bruising, swelling and a 1.2-inch laceration above her left eye (that required 8 stitches), in addition to "red marks and scratches" around her neck. She "complained of pain to her entire body."

But I get it, she didn't speak English well and maybe fell down the stairs and investigators were confused when they were told that she was pushed into a TV but what she was trying to say was "I was trying a kickflip on a skateboard, like I saw on TV.
 
Matt13 said:
I am still trying to figure out how this example is close?

The only thing I have read about Watson is that he pushed her, and she had some red marks on her chest.

Slava on the other hand

Slava Voynov police report: argument details, choking, kicking alleged - Los Angeles Times

At Providence Little Company of Mary Medical Center in Torrance, where Varlamova sought treatment, the Redondo Beach officers noted she had bruising, swelling and a 1.2-inch laceration above her left eye (that required 8 stitches), in addition to "red marks and scratches" around her neck. She "complained of pain to her entire body."

But I get it, she didn't speak English well and maybe fell down the stairs and investigators were confused when they were told that she was pushed into a TV but what she was trying to say was "I was trying a kickflip on a skateboard, like I saw on TV.
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I think it is safe to assume the Voynov situation is much more physical and violent than the Watson. That said the reports had large amounts of questions and there have been many aspects that were refuted.
 
YP44 said:
I think it is safe to assume the Voynov situation is much more physical and violent than the Watson. That said the reports had large amounts of questions and there have been many aspects that were refuted.
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I get it, same in the OJ case. However it happened, it doesn't mean this guy isn't a POS and should never be able to wear a Kings uniform again.
 
BigKing said:
Just to pour some cold water on the Watson comparable...wasn't Voynov charged with a felony and then plead down to a misdemeanor while Watson was always in misdemeanor territory?

The end result might be the same, but the NHL is going to look at the actual severity of the incidents to try to stick it more to Voynov. The wheel of justice used for suspensions will be used in this case as well.

I've said the Kings won't bring him back but being in last place and irrelevant is probably the best time to do so from a PR perspective.
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I don't object to Voynov being banned, but let's not have selective justice. When the next superstar beats the hell out of someone, that player needs to be banned as well. Write the rules so everyone knows what to expect in almost every situation.
 
BigKing said:
Just to pour some cold water on the Watson comparable...wasn't Voynov charged with a felony and then plead down to a misdemeanor while Watson was always in misdemeanor territory?

The end result might be the same, but the NHL is going to look at the actual severity of the incidents to try to stick it more to Voynov. The wheel of justice used for suspensions will be used in this case as well.

I've said the Kings won't bring him back but being in last place and irrelevant is probably the best time to do so from a PR perspective.
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Well technically, the end result is that Voynov had his misdemeanor conviction dismissed whereas Watson has it still on his records. Not to say that either is any better or worse than the other.
 
I'm not even saying what the NHL should do, just that I am expecting them to lean on the severity of the Voynov incident as the argument relates to Watson.

Agree there should be hard and fast rules in place. Much like their ridiculous suspension amounts, who the hell knows what they will do and how they will justify it.
 
Seeing Ron & Mittens post after a lengthy hiatus. Welcome back..maybe?

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