Post-Game Talk: Skinner just had his Grant Fuhr moment

[oXo Cube]

Sure, but there is still some context for why specifically that line would have significantly different numbers, and things like what lines the opponent gets out on you is important (as is TOI, etc etc)

Could even just be "oh god those guys are so scary, just shoot like mad and don't get fancy or they'll make us pay"

It's not a judgment on the line, just curious what is different. Could be more patience and/or conservative play on that line as well for sure.

Personally what I'm inferring is that Nurse - Ceci sucks as a pairing.

Which I don't think is an unpopular opinion really so I'm a bit surprised at the pushback here.

 

[LTIR]

Thats high praise from Ekholm. Dudes as honest as he comes, it’s not a Gretzky quote lol

Maybe he was taking a shot at Nurse... let the speculations begin!

Personally what I'm inferring is that Nurse - Ceci sucks as a pairing.

Which I don't think is an unpopular opinion really so I'm a bit surprised at the pushback here.

Skinner and Bouchard sucking are also not unpopular opinions.. maybe the timing isn't right considering a shut out win and all.
Even I am holding off on my Draisaitl bashing for another day.

 

[VainGretzky]

Those numbers look pretty much fictional.

Yeah makes no sense considering Drais line gave the puck away a total of 3 times yea read that again 3 times in the entire 4 games Kane 2 Drai 1 Nuge 0 TB top line of Kuch Point and Hagel 17 times Oilers metrics these series have been great on the defensive side. The zone defense last game was near-perfect

 

[oXo Cube]

I like how Knoblauch and Coffey are managing the defence. Other teams are rolling out their #1 dmen 25+ minutes a night in the playoffs and are going to be exhausted.

Meanwhile the Oilers don't have a single defenceman in the top 32 TOI for dman.

I'm mostly good with the TOI distribution but I wish the Oilers would put some effort line matching a little more than they do.

The coaches care a lot about which other Oilers the pairings are playing with but generally just roll 4 lines/3 pairings all game and let the opposition get the matchups they want.

 

[foshizzle]

That’s pretty ugly but Corsi alone is lame. If LA mindlessly throws pucks towards the net all game when you are out there you are not going to have a great Corsi. Especially with the Oilers tendency to over pass for the perfect goal.

Corsi is outdated. It was one of the fist advanced stats that came out- but pretty irrelevant now

Sure this works.. guess what pairing was out with 9secs left in the game? Ceci led the team in TOI.. maybe the coaches are stupid and should look into corsi and these stats before giving away TOI.

Ceci sucks, and wasn't good yesterday. Just because a coach uses him, doesnt mean he is good. Y'all forgot Mark Letestu and Toby Peterson?

 

[bone]

I like how Knoblauch and Coffey are managing the defence. Other teams are rolling out their #1 dmen 25+ minutes a night in the playoffs and are going to be exhausted.

Meanwhile the Oilers don't have a single defenceman in the top 32 TOI for dman.

This here is the benefit of having arguably one of the best third pairings in the league. This will be huge if they get through a couple rounds as the defense as a whole shouldn't be as worn out as some of the other teams.

 

[LTIR]

Corsi is outdated. It was one of the fist advanced stats that came out- but pretty irrelevant now


Ceci sucks, and wasn't good yesterday. Just because a coach uses him, doesnt mean he is good. Y'all forgot Mark Letestu and Toby Peterson?

Actually if a good coach uses him then the player doesnt suck. If Ceci 'sucks' then so do Coffey and Knob for giving him the most TOI on the team (that too without any PP time).
Maybe its okay to get behind the whole team now that we are in the playoffs and whining about certain players wont really do much til the offseason.

 

[bone]

Interesting Corsi numbers and interesting comments about Nurse and Ceci last night. Personally I didn't mind their games last night.

I can not remember a single mistake that either made directly leading to a major scoring chance and they never got caught up ice leading to outmanned rushes against.

Yeah, they were the pairing most likely to get hemmed in last night, but it seemed more circumstantial yesterday vs. anything they were specifically doing badly. It would be interesting to get into the details as I suspect a lot of those attempts against came on the few shifts where there was some ill-timed icing plays by other Oilers as it really seemed like a large percentage of LAs work came during those stretches.

 

[alanschu]

Personally what I'm inferring is that Nurse - Ceci sucks as a pairing.

Oh I figured that that was the case.

But I'm curious the context. If this specific defensive pairing is the worst, I'm not able to keep up on a lot of the game since I can typically only get the highlights, so I do try to break down the game in a more by the numbers sort of way.

Ceci had the most TOI, and as people pointed out he was out on the ice at the end of the game. Is he just giving up a lot more shots because Knoblauch is blind and can't see that it'd be better to have someone else playing more minutes? Or is Ceci just less able to maintain possession of the puck compared to Evan Bouchard or Vincent Desharnais? He might be Steve Staiosing the puck around the boards more than others which would lead to lack of possession and whatnot.

If they get the most d-zone draws compared to offensive zone ones that would make a difference. The only thing I feel safe enough concluding on contextless numbers is that the pairing is not sheltered.

 

[CornKicker]

Yeah makes no sense considering Drais line gave the puck away a total of 3 times yea read that again 3 times in the entire 4 games Kane 2 Drai 1 Nuge 0 TB top line of Kuch Point and Hagel 17 times Oilers metrics these series have been great on the defensive side. The zone defense last game was near-perfect

its interesting the "not great defensive fwds" i saw numerous back checks from 29 and 97 that tell me they are way more concerned with winning than they are points.

 

[mcdingdong]

Interesting Corsi numbers and interesting comments about Nurse and Ceci last night. Personally I didn't mind their games last night.

I can not remember a single mistake that either made directly leading to a major scoring chance and they never got caught up ice leading to outmanned rushes against.

Yeah, they were the pairing most likely to get hemmed in last night, but it seemed more circumstantial yesterday vs. anything they were specifically doing badly. It would be interesting to get into the details as I suspect a lot of those attempts against came on the few shifts where there was some ill-timed icing plays by other Oilers as it really seemed like a large percentage of LAs work came during those stretches.

I didn't mind their games either, but I would slightly disagree with the circumstantial comment. A lot of the reason they tend to spend more time in our own zone is because Ceci in particular really struggles with puck retrievals. IIRC, he is amongst the league worst at that and other related statistics (e.g. zone exits). When you struggle to get back to dumps or 50/50 pucks and make a quick and efficient play and instead end up eating it along the boards you are going to spend a lot more time defending in-zone. Just my 2 cents, thought they defended well when they were there though.

 

[oXo Cube]

Oh I figured that that was the case.

But I'm curious the context. If this specific defensive pairing is the worst, I'm not able to keep up on a lot of the game since I can typically only get the highlights, so I do try to break down the game in a more by the numbers sort of way.

Ceci had the most TOI, and as people pointed out he was out on the ice at the end of the game. Is he just giving up a lot more shots because Knoblauch is blind and can't see that it'd be better to have someone else playing more minutes? Or is Ceci just less able to maintain possession of the puck compared to Evan Bouchard or Vincent Desharnais? He might be Steve Staiosing the puck around the boards more than others which would lead to lack of possession and whatnot.

If they get the most d-zone draws compared to offensive zone ones that would make a difference. The only thing I feel safe enough concluding on contextless numbers is that the pairing is not sheltered.

Nurse - Ceci played 16 seconds against the empty net last night. They came on after the pairing Knoblach actually trusted to ice the game(Ekholm - Desharnais) changed due to playing a 1 minute 7 second shift.

The Nurse - Ceci pairing did have 12 defensive zone faceoffs compared to 8 and 5 for the other two pairings respectively. This is a statistic that obviously is impacted by icing calls though I personally do not know what impact they had on this game in particular.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

This Ryan Whitney drama on twitter is hilarious. People really dont have better things to do hhahaha

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

This Ryan Whitney drama on twitter is hilarious. People really dont have better things to do hhahaha

The bears?

 

[TheNumber4]

Watch our PP cook:

 

[Forgot About Drai]

The bears?

Yeah. Just seems like such a stupid thing to a) be mad about and also b) get worked up trying to defend it.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yeah. Just seems like such a stupid thing to a) be mad about and also b) get worked up trying to defend it.

People have too much time on their hands.

 

[foshizzle]

Actually if a good coach uses him then the player doesnt suck. If Ceci 'sucks' then so do Coffey and Knob for giving him the most TOI on the team (that too without any PP time).
Maybe its okay to get behind the whole team now that we are in the playoffs and whining about certain players wont really do much til the offseason.

Well- all of Ceci’s underlying defensive numbers would tell you he isn’t good and the GM trying to upgrade that position would tell you the same. Nurse has elevated his game though. He is in the bottom 2% of the league for DMen who play his mins and QoC according to his xGar%.

The team played well yesterday so I’m not going to whine. I just thought it odd to say a player is good because a coach uses him. Coach’s have their favourites too despite how good or bad he is…ahem…Archibald

 

[bone]

Yeah. Just seems like such a stupid thing to a) be mad about and also b) get worked up trying to defend it.

It's weird. We've seen jokes in this vein before where someone refers to one sports team bending over the opponent, but for some reason that picture seems particularly malevolent. I usually don't have a reaction to things like that, but I actually had a minor physical reaction to it with a chill and a momentary involuntary tensing in the shoulder and back.

Ultimately, he just needs to apologize as I'm sure he had no intention of mocking sexual assault and those that think that was the intent need to take a step off the ledge.

 

[guymez]

And just like that, Skinner has a .919 save percentage in this years playoffs.

Good to see that number more accurately reflecing his work in this series so far.

Hopefully that will subdue some of the unreasonable criticism he seems to get on here.

 

[McFlyingV]

Watch our PP cook:

Love it. I had a feeling the Oilers PP was gonna flip a switch when the playoffs started after looking disjointed to end the season. Just way too much diverse talent on that unit and when they can zone in and scout just one team's PK they are going to find ways to convert and pick it apart. They've scored in just about every way possible in this series on the PP.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Literally every player was neutralized...McDavid had points on 100% of the goals...weird to point him out as a con...he focused on defence like everyone else.

Mcdavid is held to a standard than "every other player". He wasn't a negative, but he was neutralized 5 on 5 for the first time in how long? The kings did a great job.

I am saying if this keeps up we are toast. Let's give the Kings some credit

 

[CornKicker]

Love it. I had a feeling the Oilers PP was gonna flip a switch when the playoffs started after looking disjointed to end the season. Just way too much diverse talent on that unit and when they can zone in and scout just one team's PK they are going to find ways to convert and pick it apart. They've scored in just about every way possible in this series on the PP.

they are calling out plays on the PP before they even happen, almost football style. they slide 29 over to his 1time spot, knowing rittich was going to fly over to stop the 1T and he kicked it straight to bouchard who shot far side of the net. only way that isnt going in is if he misses the net.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Mcdavid is held to a standard than "every other player". He wasn't a negative, but he was neutralized 5 on 5 for the first time in how long? The kings did a great job.

I am saying if this keeps up we are toast. Let's give the Kings some credit

It’s one game.. he setup the winning goal. Even Gretzky was held some games, it won’t keep up. He is the last concern on the team.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

It’s one game.. he setup the winning goal. Even Gretzky was held some games, it won’t keep up. He is the last concern on the team.

I know it won't keep up. My comment was on game 4