Post-Game Talk: Skinned again

[TB12]

Missing 3 top-6 forwards, 1 top 4 d-man, Skinner in net, 4th game in 6 nights, against a team they NEVER beat? Ya I think I'll skip the doom and gloom misery porn in this thread from the usual suspects.

 

[frag2]

I agree Skinner is struggling. Given the salary cap he’ll we are in, who are you bringing in to save us? I don’t think that goalie exists.

For starters, just find a league average goalie and we'd be coming out on top more often than not

 

[bobbythebrain]

Ekholm has to cover for a partner that has next to zero defensive awareness and is getting worse by the game. This problem is exacerbated by having them play too many minutes because without Nurse we have no effective 2nd pairing.

Meh. Ek has been bad all on his own too. His angles have been atrocious also.
Maybe you can argue Bouchard finally got to him, but he's been making big mistakes on his own side.

Did you see him try to chase the guy around the net yesterday? His job was to cover his own post when the guy came around and let Bouchard go low. They both went low and it was an easy goal...thankfully it was disallowed due to the offside.

Bouchard has been terrible no doubt, but they are both making mistakes. The pair is atrocious right now

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

For starters, just find a league average goalie and we'd be coming out on top more often than not

Until Dustin Schwartz ruins them.

 

[Not Canada Drai]

Until Dustin Schwartz ruins them.

I need a crying "like" for posts like these.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Meh. Ek has been bad all on his own too. His angles have been atrocious also.
Maybe you can argue Bouchard finally got to him, but he's been making big mistakes on his own side.

Did you see him try to chase the guy around the net yesterday? His job was to cover his own post when the guy came around and let Bouchard go low. They both went low and it was an easy goal...thankfully it was disallowed due to the offside.

Bouchard has been terrible no doubt, but they are both making mistakes. The pair is atrocious right now

Ek hasn't been his best no doubt and he isn't getting any younger and it shows on occasion as well. But playing beside a bumbling idiot is not great for your game either. As KK said in his presser last night, you need predictability. The big problem I had with Bouchard is he raised his game during the course of the year last year and really elevated it in the playoffs. Like it or not, that is his new standard of play. He cannot just show up to the rink like its a beer league game at 11:30 PM on a cold Sunday in February and half ass it like he has been.

I would like to see Kulak with Bouchard lower down the lineup and try Ek with Emberson, and Nurse with (insert Arizona Coyote flunkie here).

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I need a crying "like" for posts like these.

You're right, he's well earned some more leeway. Another ten years, perhaps? Why do you think Mike Smith told this guy to stuff it?

 

[bobbythebrain]

Ek hasn't been his best no doubt and he isn't getting any younger and it shows on occasion as well. But playing beside a bumbling idiot is not great for your game either. As KK said in his presser last night, you need predictability. The big problem I had with Bouchard is he raised his game during the course of the year last year and really elevated it in the playoffs. Like it or not, that is his new standard of play. He cannot just show up to the rink like its a beer league game at 11:30 PM on a cold Sunday in February and half ass it like he has been.

I would like to see Kulak with Bouchard lower down the lineup and try Ek with Emberson, and Nurse with (insert Arizona Coyote flunkie here).

I would honestly healthy scratch Bouchard right now.

 

[Not Canada Drai]

You're right, he's well earned some more leeway. Another ten years, perhaps? Why do you think Mike Smith told this guy to stuff it?

I think he needs a lifetime contract tbh. What a gem. We're being sarcastic no?
Crying as in I agreed with your OG statement but it's v sad.

 

[bone]

Skinner's back at that good old .885 median save percentage meaning he's just often below .885 as he is above it. Exactly like he was up to Christmas last year. Whatever he ate at Christmas last year, I sure hope it's on the menu for US Thanksgiving this year.

 

[Echodek]

Can someone calculate what skinners actual save percentage was last night if you took into consideration the two disallowed goals and the two posts that clearly got by him?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I think he needs a lifetime contract tbh. What a gem. We're being sarcastic no?
Crying as in I agreed with your OG statement but it's v sad.

Sorry, I completely misunderstood. I was thinking of the crying laughing emoji. You're right.

Can someone calculate what skinners actual save percentage was last night if you took into consideration the two disallowed goals and the two posts that clearly got by him?

It's -125435234rer6343254gfbsdvcsdf%. Why do we care about goals that didn't happen?

 

[Duke74]

I missed the start of the game and just saw the beauty 5 hole snipe by Drai now... Hockey Gods were definitely on the Oilers side early on. Waste of good luck there.

You would think the players would have seen how shaky Fleury looked on that play and try to take advantage, but no. Another game they sleepwalked through, hoping that a win would magically manifest out of thin air.

 

[JeffSkinner53]

Can someone calculate what skinners actual save percentage was last night if you took into consideration the two disallowed goals and the two posts that clearly got by him?

26 shots, 5 goals =.808.
2 missed posts
2 disallowed goals
30 total shots and 9 goals let in
(30-9)/30 ≈ 700
.700

 

[MoontoScott]

Skinner's back at that good old .885 median save percentage meaning he's just often below .885 as he is above it. Exactly like he was up to Christmas last year. Whatever he ate at Christmas last year, I sure hope it's on the menu for US Thanksgiving this year.

Cap Space is King and unless some team out there wants to take a $3 million+ contract off the Oilers hands then I don't see what goalie upgrade options are available.

The Oilers gambled in the off season and said that the available bucks would be spent on more scoring and not goaltending. Hindsight is of course 20/20 but the quarterly statement indicates that it may have been the wrong move.

 

[Duke74]

I knew this game was done when it was 3-2 Wild and McDrai had a nice rush down the ice -- the puck ended up on Draisaitl's forehand, directly in front of Fleury (himself shakey all night), in prime scoring position. Drai, a 50-goal scorer who co-leads the NHL in goals... passed to Podkolzin, who was covered, and has 0 goals.

I really wish he (and McDavid) would stop doing this. These two guys need to realize the best chance of winning comes from their own sticks. Stop wasting time and opportunity passing to struggling players with the hopes of "getting them going" and just get the win.

 

[Vagabond]

For starters, just find a league average goalie and we'd be coming out on top more often than not

That's just it! You fire Schwartz and find a league average goaltender and everything else will sort itself out.

If the Oil need to buck up for that tender then fukking do it. Skinner is the Kryptonite right now along with Schwartz.

 

[bone]

Can someone calculate what skinners actual save percentage was last night if you took into consideration the two disallowed goals and the two posts that clearly got by him?

Normally this is terrible logic, but when the first disallowed goal was offside by a hair I'll allow it as a mark against him. That said, I think they had more than one shot between the offside and goal so it isn't as simple as 1 shot 1 goal.

The post on Shore also was so f***ing pathetic because of who it was that beat him clean like he is often beat clean with wrist shots from distance coming into him from his right side so I'm pissed with him on that one.

I won't put the one they pushed him into the net against him as that's an easy goal to disallow as it's so clearly the infraction that caused the goal, and I seem to have blocked out the memory of the other post.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Normally this is terrible logic, but when the first disallowed goal was offside by a hair I'll allow it as a mark against him. That said, I think they had more than one shot between the offside and goal so it isn't as simple as 1 shot 1 goal.

The post on Shore also was so f***ing pathetic because of who it was that beat him clean like he is often beat clean with wrist shots from distance coming into him from his right side so I'm pissed with him on that one.

I won't put the one they pushed him into the net against him as that's an easy goal to disallow as it's so clearly the infraction that caused the goal, and I seem to have blocked out the memory of the other post.

If that Shore goal goes in it’s “what can skinner do it was a perfect shot.”

Agreed about the pushed in the net though. Nothing he could really do there.

Either way the puck was getting past him a lot.

 

[frag2]

I really wish he (and McDavid) would stop doing this. These two guys need to realize the best chance of winning comes from their own sticks. Stop wasting time and opportunity passing to struggling players with the hopes of "getting them going" and just get the win.

They playing the 'good teammate' role. Like who tf cares now. Just win. If it means you have 200 pts and everyone has zero, thats their problem and they should look themselves in the mirror

 

[Drivesaitl]

Boils down to the team doesn't believe. With the offseason and what occurred I didn't either so that its not surprising. Still think team will make playoffs, because Pacific, and win a round once they are there but this is a sorry sorry roster and even older than last year. It was an absolute blunder offseason. The players seem to recognize it.

I'll say it again that the club has only 6 regulation wins in 21 GP. That speaks volumes in itself.

Add considerable fatigue, the loss of Kane, and the standard SC hangover and this was around where it was gonna land.

Even when we get wins its either against Nashville, or its because of McDrai. This feels like 2016 or 2018 again. Except now we don't have the hope of McDrai in prime. We have them aging.

There was next to zero chance J Skinner would come in here and be a positive responsible player. See how the team responds to him as well. Nobody even interacts with him and I wonder if they don't want him on the bench. I figure the coaching staff doesn't.

I wonder how long it takes for both Skinners to be pariahs here. Players like that KILL team enthusiasm. You can't have too many of those types of players.

I say the Oilers will make the playoffs, I say that primarily due to how weak the Pacific is now. You have to be a worse than LA, Van or Calgary club to even not get a top 3 spot.

But we're where we are in the standings and the team has even had the cheat code toothless Nashville Preds 3X. Count up the 3 wins on those as well in factoring in how abysmal this is.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Ek hasn't been his best no doubt and he isn't getting any younger and it shows on occasion as well. But playing beside a bumbling idiot is not great for your game either. As KK said in his presser last night, you need predictability. The big problem I had with Bouchard is he raised his game during the course of the year last year and really elevated it in the playoffs. Like it or not, that is his new standard of play. He cannot just show up to the rink like its a beer league game at 11:30 PM on a cold Sunday in February and half ass it like he has been.

I would like to see Kulak with Bouchard lower down the lineup and try Ek with Emberson, and Nurse with (insert Arizona Coyote flunkie here).

The team defending has been erratic. Odd man rushes, weak side coverage has been terrible and forward support lacking far too much. I love Ekholm but he's also had wobbles this year with aggressive pinches that lead to odd man rushes and together with Bouchard's wild swings with decision making have been an issue. Fully agree with Knoblauch's comment about predictability. This is a holistic issue of bad goaltending and erratic, inconsistent team defending.

Unfortunately Bouchard's two-way game has slipped into wild inconsistency and his offense, specifically PP struggles is not outscoring the deficiencies. He's so important to the PP with likely the second most puck touches after McDavid and opposing PK's are pressuring him into high blocks, missed net shots, and blueline turnovers. I'd actually move Nurse short-term into PP1 for his mobility and ability to get pucks through. Ease some pressure off Bouchard to work on his two-way game.

The quandary is this team needs another puck moving defenseman to help quicker, efficient zone exits to try to ignite the Oilers fast transition attack which was a strength. Now this team appears slow and disjointed largely playing a half court game forced outside against defences with time to set up their structure and gameplan to stack middle ice and homeplate defending. Quite a contrast watching Minnesota's team structure move efficiently from defending to offense and exploiting terrible team defending and goaltending.

Skinner is a problem. He should be apprenticing as an NHL back-up instead of treading water as a #1 on a win now team. But the problems cross all area of this team with team defending and personnel gaps.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Shining up a pig the Oilers site leading banner is how Corey Perry got an allstar goal and an assist as if some heroism and not a game and result that is erased from all PVR's

Gets another own team goal (thats two now) from a puck going in off an opponent. then gets an assist on another nothingburger goal in a game the Oiles were horribly outworked.

Yeah sure, Perry stats are reasonable but he's too slow anywhere else to be much good. At Ryan, Connor Brown, even Henrique and these guys are looking like toast. The Henrique bit surprises me as even at age I figured he had something left. Team obviously desperate now picking up waiver players and lol Josh Brown.

Theres some pretty weak players starting games this year. A lot of imposters. Contending teams don't have around 8 players in the lineup that essentially get nothing done.

I've asked this a few times but how is it that year after year this org Lets players like Stu Skinner or Ryan or Connor Brown con them into thinking this is good enough? How does a team not get better than these 3 in particular? I'd suggest any org that doesn't improve on 3 players like that is content with whatever is on the shelf.

 

[oilers4life5]

For starters, just find a league average goalie and we'd be coming out on top more often than not

Exactly my point, everyone says “get someone”. Who is it?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I would honestly healthy scratch Bouchard right now.

I like the idea that @Behind Enemy Lines has with sitting him on the PP and letting Nurse take over until Bouchard gets the speed wobbles out of his game.