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Easy to do when you have Saros blocking young potential talent. Easy to make Askarov look bad when you’re still set for goaltending for the next 6+ years
Confirmed Trade: [SJS/NSH] Yaroslav Askarov, Nolan Burke, 2025 COL 3rd round pick for David Edstrom, Magnus Chrona, 2025 SJS/VGK 1st round pick (top 10 conditional)
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AtlantaWhaler
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Well, again… to be fair, that girlfriend refused to go on any dates until her demands were met. Can’t blame the ex boyfriend being a bit bitter
Samsonov was picked 1st round, Askarov 1st round, Igor 4th round, Ivanov 4th round...
Ivanov is already as good as Askarov being 2 years younger.
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Can’t blame the girlfriend for exploring other avenues when the boyfriend wasn’t willing to give her a shot either. Boyfriend played hard to get and it backfired
Bringer of Jollity
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Really disappointing. I had hopes we could make both work, that cool heads on both sides could see he'd get his shot, there was a path (albeit not an "easy" one), and that him and Saros would push and bring out the best in each other.
Fine with the return and think Trotz probably did better than expected considering the ultimate circumstances at the end. I think the org could have handled this better at many points, but can't blame him for doing what he needed to in securing the immediate tending future, even at the expense of the further reaching long-term.
Hope Yaro makes the best of his shot. Also hope we light his ass up every meeting from now til his retirement.
Oh, and f*** you Dan Milstein.
Fine with the return and think Trotz probably did better than expected considering the ultimate circumstances at the end. I think the org could have handled this better at many points, but can't blame him for doing what he needed to in securing the immediate tending future, even at the expense of the further reaching long-term.
Hope Yaro makes the best of his shot. Also hope we light his ass up every meeting from now til his retirement.
Oh, and f*** you Dan Milstein.
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Love it for Askarov, but it’s hilarious to see GM Grier continually pay above market value for players. The guy is just a terrible GM
Well, girlfriend wanted a commitment. Boy wasn’t ready to leave his other girlfriend.
Huh?
SjMilhouse
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Care to share a few examples? One could argue the Sharks have the top prospect pool in the league right now and he's been GM 2 years...long way to go still but he's been pretty great given where the team was when he took over.
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Grier turned the worst cap situation in the entire NHL into one of the best prospect pools in the league in two years
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
I like this deal from both sides, but props to Grier for assembling elite talent at all positions in a short period of time.
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Grier is doing more than fine
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Ceci, a player on the outs due to cap situation, overpays
Askarov a play refusing the report to the AHL, overpays (shouldn’t have needed the 1st)
Time will tell if his prospect pool pays off or not.
Peter Griffin
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Patty Ice
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So your examples are his two most recent deals?
What do you think would be market price for a goaltending prospect universally regarded as top 3? What comp would you use for that?
If one of the Oilers misses in the shootout against him to lose the game and he doesnt start benching the net, i'm going to be annoyed.
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He paid the premium top 3 prospect price, they didn’t pay the “goalie is refusing to report” price.
It’s a huge pickup for San Jose but it’s also a huge price given the situation
Some people dont understand that just because a player refuses to report, that the team they're employed by doesnt have to just give in to cheap offers.
Mr Fahrenheit
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Getting paid to take Ceci is overpaying? What in the holy f***?
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They didn’t get paid to take Ceci, they still had to give up a decent defensive prospect for him
The Hockey Tonk Man
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Not sure?
Guy traded vets & went full rebuild.
Now has a very good group of young players/prospects
Doesn’t seem terrible to me at all
That's fair, but I wouldn't say Grier regularly overpays. Grier turned Meier and an albatross in Karlsson (while only retaining 6M of 46M left) into Musty, Dickinson, Mukh, Zetterlund, and Granlund (maybe will get a 2nd or 3rd at the TDL this year?). Also, while he may have paid a premium for Askarov, he also just turned Hertl's negative value contract into a top-3 goaltening prospect in hockey and potential for a top end starter pending development. Burns was just a cap dump for a couple of 3rd round picks and doing a veteran on a terrible contract a solid.
I don't really put much weight into some overpayments in minor trades (3rd for Kunin, for example) because he also made some great minor trades to balance it out (getting a 2nd to take on Walman, for example). He's doing just fine imo.
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Karlsson yes, the Meier trade I remember people being split on if it was good or bad. The narrative could of course swing if these prospects start to hit.
Yeah, but I'd argue that this is how it always goes. At first the team trading the best asset in the deal gets skewered, but as prospects develop, the trade narrative flips. Zetterlund looking like a solid middle-6 winger who scored 24 goals in his first full season is a great start.
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I’ll gladly eat some crow if he can pull San Jose out of the rebuild and doesn’t turn it into another Buffalo perpetual retool/rebuild scenario
