SJ what would they realistically offer for #1

[doublechili]

Trading the #1 and passing on Schaefer would be a risky move from Darche's perspective. If Schaefer ends up being a really high end D, that would follow Darche around his whole career. Say Dickinson and Hagens turn out to be 8s and Schaefer is a 10. The math works out that 8 + 8 < 10.

 

[Throttle]

This. And only this.

I believe the whole SJS want Schaefer s$%t hit the fan with this...
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And since then, I'm seeing all sorts of wild suggestions in Islanderville including Smith or Eklund and/or gobs of draft picks.

I'm sitting here asking myself if everyone just lives in crazyland?

'Cause even if you want to have some fun with this, I don't know how they get around the name Dickinson when thinking of any deal from San Jose.

Logic is logic is logic:
If Darche would be deciding to forego selecting Schaefer by flipping the first overall, then he's doing so to select a forward. Obviously. And nothing will entice him to take that step more than a move that brings back a defensive prostpect who is comparably good to Schaefer. Dickinson is exactly that. And he's a SJS property.

BUT if Dickinson+Misa/Hagens > Schaefer (which would be his determination), then why in all of God's great green nature would San Jose do it in the first place?

You realize the source of that statement you posted is generally FOS, right?

 

[Throttle]

Trading the #1 and passing on Schaefer would be a risky move from Darche's perspective. If Schaefer ends up being a really high end D, that would follow Darche around his whole career. Say Dickinson and Hagens turn out to be 8s and Schaefer is a 10. The math works out that 8 + 8 < 10.

Agreed. I’m someone who first said trade down once the lotto win was announced. However, the Isles have a rookie GM now.

From his perspective, keep the status quo and take Schaefer at 1 and walk away.

Now, if he wants to start carving up the roster at the draft, then he’ll be judged on that, but not trading the 1OA. Those are different situations entirely.

 

[leeroggy]

Trading the #1 and passing on Schaefer would be a risky move from Darche's perspective. If Schaefer ends up being a really high end D, that would follow Darche around his whole career. Say Dickinson and Hagens turn out to be 8s and Schaefer is a 10. The math works out that 8 + 8 < 10.

Are you a Syracuse grad or a Cortland grad?

 

[doublechili]

Are you a Syracuse grad or a Cortland grad?

Neither. Harvard.

[wait, did I spell Hofstra correctly?]

 

[leeroggy]

Neither. Harvard.

[wait, did I spell Hofstra correctly?]

Given the current environment, I'd accept Harvard more than Hofstra as being realistic

 

[Islanders100]

They can start with Dickerson and 2OA. May take a little more. If not, just draft Schaefer.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

You realize the source of that statement you posted is generally FOS, right?

Indeed. My posting it was not to verify its validity, but rather to point out that that tweet has people all around X and FB talking about scenarios involving SJS.

That folks are going to talk about a possible flipping of picks with SJS or CHI over the next 25 days is gonna be taking place one way or another...

 

[scott99]

I don’t think the Sharks will give up 2 overall and Dickinson for the 1st overall. But imagine Dickinson and Misa, that would be an unbelievable return. That being said, I REALLY want the Isles to draft Schaefer.

 

[boredmale]

Trading the #1 and passing on Schaefer would be a risky move from Darche's perspective. If Schaefer ends up being a really high end D, that would follow Darche around his whole career. Say Dickinson and Hagens turn out to be 8s and Schaefer is a 10. The math works out that 8 + 8 < 10.

 

[Menwithouthat tricks]

If Misa is the same level of prospect as Schaeffer, San Jose would have little incentive to give up any asset to move up to get the #1 pick, let alone give up Dickinson. A trade with Chicago makes much more sense for them, since Schaeffer is a tier above any prospect that would be available at #3 and so Chicago would have a real incentive to move up.

 

[Glorydays22]

Come on, let's be honest here. Everyone knows that SJ wants Sheafer but realistically, there is NO Way they are going to give the Isles what we would want in return....This thread to me is moot. It's not happening.

 

[boredmale]

Come on, let's be honest here. Everyone knows that SJ wants Sheafer but realistically, there is NO Way they are going to give the Isles what we would want in return....This thread to me is moot. It's not happening.

Only way I can see it working is if Both Chicago and SJ give up something for the Islanders to draft third. Personally I would be all in Islanders trading down for both of their (likely) late 2026 first rounder they picked up in trades plus a couple other things(say a capdump and another pick from Chicago)

It would be pretty sweet coming out of the draft with like 4 2026 first rounders. I would then see if you could make a trade with at least 2 if not 3 of those picks

 

[Schaefer48]

As much as I like Schaefer, I would certainly entertain getting Dickinson and then selecting Misa at #2

 

[SI]

As much as I like Schaefer, I would certainly entertain getting Dickinson and then selecting Misa at #2

You might have to change your avatar... it doesn't make sense for the Sharks to make that move. Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, and Misa are a very exciting top 6 group of F's.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

You might have to change your avatar... it doesn't make sense for the Sharks to make that move. Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, and Misa are a very exciting top 6 group of F's.

In general, I see absolutely no reason why either San Jose or Chicago should dish out the "fortune" it SHOULD cost to acquire the #1 overall pick.

Both teams have more than enough U23 players and prospects where they are already on pace to have strong up-n-coming teams or the sum of tradable assets necessary to pick up more established talent when the time is right.

Maybe even unfortunately for Darche or the hockey community, this draft isn't the one where Schaefer - as wonderful a prospect he is - offers so much more than what those teams have in the system, that they'll flip things upside down to go after him.

If Darche does go the trade route - and yes, we should have fun with our fantasy scanrios in the coming weeks - it's ultimately going to be via realistic, "you don't have to give us the farm" style moves.

And understandably, a good chunk of Islander fans want to see Schaefer be an Islander and have no qualms with him simply being selected and calling it a day.

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On the other hand, the onus will be on Darche to keep an overview of all possibilities.

We've been spending a good long while in other threads talking about how to move contracts and create cap and roster space. Many fans would love to think we have some freedom to be players on the UFA market.

So, if Darche is so inclined to make his mark in this way, and if - bear with me - the management group is ready to "settle" on Hagens as the selection, he could use this 1st overall to drop 2 spots and not only pick up an extra asset along the way, but move out contracts too.

Yes, I know some (maybe most!) will absolutely cringe at that thought.

But it's an option Darche will have to consider, especially if he can get certain players to waive their NTCs.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Getting the 2nd pick + Dickinson/unprotected 2026 1st would be such an overpayment for Schaefer I would take it easily.

I don't see how they would pay that though.

 

[boredmale]

We've been spending a good long while in other threads talking about how to move contracts and create cap and roster space. Many fans would love to think we have some freedom to be players on the UFA market.

I know this is a longshot but if I was Darsche I would offer the Leafs Colorado 2026 first if they can get us a signed Marner before the draft, that makes some of our choices easier.

For starters in that scenario i definitely take Schaefer, although I might be willing to use either Barzal(my preference in this scenario) or Dobson as bait to get a pick in the top 5 to draft Hagens

 

[Schaefer48]

I know this is a longshot but if I was Darsche I would offer the Leafs Colorado 2026 first if they can get us a signed Marner before the draft, that makes some of our choices easier.

For starters in that scenario i definitely take Schaefer, although I might be willing to use either Barzal(my preference in this scenario) or Dobson as bait to get a pick in the top 5 to draft Hagens

Is Hagens at 18 as good as Barzal was ? I didn’t see it last year

 

[boredmale]

Is Hagens at 18 as good as Barzal was ? I didn’t see it last year

If we sign Marner we need to free up capspace somehow, getting a young center back on a cost controlled contract could go a long way. Marner basically replaces Barzal as Horvat's RW

xxxx-Horvat-Marner
Eiserman-Hagens-xxxx
xxx-Ritchie-xxxx

Holmstrom??(not sure where I place him on those lines

Schaefer-Dobson-Romanov

Sorokin

That's a fairly solid roster to build around in the next 5 years

 

[beach]

Getting the 2nd pick + Dickinson/unprotected 2026 1st would be such an overpayment for Schaefer I would take it easily.

I don't see how they would pay that though.

Forget the 2026 1st; I'd do the 2nd pick and Dickinson for the 1st, especially since I want the Isles to take Misa. It's like getting Dickinson for free.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

Come on, let's be honest here. Everyone knows that SJ wants Sheafer but realistically, there is NO Way they are going to give the Isles what we would want in return....This thread to me is moot. It's not happening.

I agree, it’s just not in the cards. Unless we’re all missing something which is either the isles value Schaeffer and Misa equally or Grier is going to move heaven and earth for Schaeffer. Even then it has to be some sort of combination of the two.

Grier won’t trade Eklund, Dickinson etc level of value for one spot IMO.

I think we’re looking at their extra first and a second. That doesn’t move the needle enough for me who has settled on Schaeffer being the guy. So assuming they throw in more, does it make a difference? Still probably not unless you like Misa the same.

 

[Chockey22]

Getting the 2nd pick + Dickinson/unprotected 2026 1st would be such an overpayment for Schaefer I would take it easily.

I don't see how they would pay that though.

I would hope all of us are in agreement on this - Dickinson and 2OA would be criminally irresponsible overpayment on Grier's part.

Once we accept that the 'A' pieces (Dickinson, 2026 1st, Eklund, Smith) are off the table, we're left with what combination of 'B' pieces (Chernyshov, 32, 33, cap dump return) would the Isles need to move the pick and SJ be willing to do.

For me, I'd think long and hard about 1OA plus Duclair or Engvall to SJ for 2OA, Chernyshov, 32 and 33. I doubt SJ is comfortable with that, and I am not sure that that's enough quality for the Isles to make the move - but it's a reasonable starting point, if there is a deal to be had.

 

[Lek]

I would hope all of us are in agreement on this - Dickinson and 2OA would be criminally irresponsible overpayment on Grier's part.

Once we accept that the 'A' pieces (Dickinson, 2026 1st, Eklund, Smith) are off the table, we're left with what combination of 'B' pieces (Chernyshov, 32, 33, cap dump return) would the Isles need to move the pick and SJ be willing to do.

For me, I'd think long and hard about 1OA plus Duclair or Engvall to SJ for 2OA, Chernyshov, 32 and 33. I doubt SJ is comfortable with that, and I am not sure that that's enough quality for the Isles to make the move - but it's a reasonable starting point, if there is a deal to be had.

The thing is....Reasonable, is and should not on the table.

We will take the first pick unless we do not want Schaeffer, which is crazy as he is potentially exactly what this club needs.....or we get, not a small overpay, but a very large overpay...which would be this years 1OA, next years 1OA unprotected and Dickinson like player...be it SJ or Chicago.

 

[Fantom]

only if someone is going to overpay by a ton. It would be silly for SJ to overpay by much TBH