SJ what would they realistically offer for #1

[Schaefer48]

It’s been mentioned on many websites that SJ would have preferred Schaefer based on need
And the fact he has been listed as #1 on most draft sites, What would or could SJ offer that makes sense for them and might get Darche to think hard about moving down to # 2?

 

[seabass45]

I mean we know what seems like a reasonable trade to move down (a late first or early second), but if Darche is really locked in on Schaefer then the ask would probably scare SJ away. It’s worth noting that Darche has said he’s expecting to make the pick and would have to be blown away to move down.

 

[seabass45]

I don’t know if this is coincidental but I see that Sam Dickinson has been brought up in a thread about moving down and I’m not surprised to hear that Sharks fans are vehemently opposed to this. That’s the problem here, it’s suggested that it would take a big overpay to move down, a name is mentioned that fits the criteria, Sharks fans say no, and that’s it. It’s fine, sometimes there isn’t a deal to be made.

 

[seafoam]

Either Eklund or Dickinson.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Either Eklund or Dickinson.

I am not sure he moves the needle for me to be honest. Talented winger. but still just a winger

if we are losing out on a potential #1 D we really need some kind of talented defensive prospect coming in return.

Dickinson is phenomenal so I get why Sharks fans don't want to move him.

 

[boredmale]

Stars 2025 First, Oilers 2026 First, and take on a capdump

 

[beach]

I am not sure he moves the needle for me to be honest. Talented winger. but still just a winger

if we are losing out on a potential #1 D we really need some kind of talented defensive prospect coming in return.

Dickinson is phenomenal so I get why Sharks fans don't want to move him.

If Darche plans on taking Misa, then trading down for Eklund or Dickinson makes total sense. And it's only one spot down, so seems like an adequate return.

 

[doublechili]

Stars 2025 First, Oilers 2026 First, and take on a capdump

I think this is closer to correct. Not sure about the capdump, but two 1sts (albeit late rounders) seems about right.

 

[Glorydays22]

The only way I'd consider it is......

IF SJ gave us their 1st rounder in 2026 without any protection...if not, we are not talking.

 

[Schaefer48]

Either Eklund or Dickinson.

Not sure SJ does that since I’m sure Dickinson will be a big part of their future but Eklund would be a nice add to drop 1 and we select Misa. Certainly expedites our re-tool

 

[boredmale]

I think this is closer to correct. Not sure about the capdump, but two 1sts (albeit late rounders) seems about right.

My dream scenario would be getting Chicago involved as well(so they can pick Misa) and getting the Oiler's first in 2026 from Sj and Florida's first in 2026 from Chicago. Imagine coming out of the draft with like 4 2026 firsts that would give us a lot of trade capital to try make a trade or 2 going into the season well until the 2026 draft

 

[islesfan3913]

I don’t see any point in trading out of 1OA without getting 20A in a deal (or 3OA if it’s Chicago) unless it was something like Eklund straight up for 1OA. Maybe something like 2OA + Musty for 1OA (essentially Misa + Musty for Schaefer) but I highly doubt SJ would do that.

 

[Throttle]

I think a guy coming from TB that had a franchise defenseman on his team, is probably leaning in that direction.

 

[BelovedIsles]

I’d just stick with the potential franchise altering D man.

 

[JKP]

I wondered if there is a draft pick value chart for the NHL like there is for the NFL? I found one here (no idea of it’s accuracy, etc):

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It suggests the 1OA is worth 1000 pts and the 2OA is worth about 750 pts, leaving the ~250 other pts to be made up by the 18OA.

So according to this model, to move back from 1 to 2 should cost the 18OA (or some combination of this that would cost the equivalent, like the first 2 picks of Rnd 2, which add up to about 250).

The sharks have Dal 30OA (worth ~145) so would need to throw in the of the 5th pick of the second round to meet the value chart. They have the first pick of the second, worth about 20pts more than the 5th.

So the 2OA, the 30OA and the 33OA (1st of the second) would be a reasonable cost to jump up to 1OA.

So Misa/Hagens, 30th and 33rd picks for Schaefer.

Based on that chart at least.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I wondered if there is a draft pick value chart for the NHL like there is for the NFL? I found one here (no idea of it’s accuracy, etc):

Examining the value of NHL Draft picks - Sound Of Hockey

Sound Of Hockey is your new home for Seattle hockey news, coverage, and analysis. NHL | Seattle Kraken | WHL | Seattle Hockey Community

soundofhockey.com

It suggests the 1OA is worth 1000 pts and the 2OA is worth about 750 pts, leaving the ~250 other pts to be made up by the 18OA.

So according to this model, to move back from 1 to 2 should cost the 18OA (or some combination of this that would cost the equivalent, like the first 2 picks of Rnd 2, which add up to about 250).

The sharks have Dal 30OA (worth ~145) so would need to throw in the of the 5th pick of the second round to meet the value chart. They have the first pick of the second, worth about 20pts more than the 5th.

So the 2OA, the 30OA and the 33OA (1st of the second) would be a reasonable cost to jump up to 1OA.

So Misa/Hagens, 30th and 33rd picks for Schaefer.

Based on that chart at least.

I suggested on the main board the Dallas first round pick and the 2026 Edmonton first round pick.

 

[IslesNorway]

This years 1st and 2026 1st should do it maybe a player or prospect for good measure.

 

[Isles72]

they have a lot of interesting pieces whether its draft picks , prospects or younger players already contributing so theres bound to be something that could knock one of Darche's socks off , not both .

 

[Schaefer48]

I don’t see any point in trading out of 1OA without getting 20A in a deal (or 3OA if it’s Chicago) unless it was something like Eklund straight up for 1OA. Maybe something like 2OA + Musty for 1OA (essentially Misa + Musty for Schaefer) but I highly doubt SJ would do that.

I think if SJ really wants Schaefer, there will be something on the table that is going to make Darche have a hard time saying no.

It will come down to how much they like Misa or someone else.

 

[Schaefer48]

I don’t see any point in trading out of 1OA without getting 20A in a deal (or 3OA if it’s Chicago) unless it was something like Eklund straight up for 1OA. Maybe something like 2OA + Musty for 1OA (essentially Misa + Musty for Schaefer) but I highly doubt SJ would do that.

Yes, the point of the thread I was suggesting was they would drop to 2 not give up the pick

 

[periferal]

The only way I'd consider it is......

IF SJ gave us their 1st rounder in 2026 without any protection...if not, we are not talking.

Even though there's no way SJ trades their 2026 1st (and it would be an overpay)...


This is exactly the right take.

 

[icelander25]

I keep coming back to the idea that either Eklund, Dickinson, or 2026 1st need to be attached. I highly doubt the 2026 1st is moved but I’d attach Danny Nelson/Finley to make a deal happen. So let’s say Schaefer + Nelson for Misa + Dickinson. I really think I’d make that deal, and it’s an overpay for San Jose, but I think that they could wrap their heads around the idea of a 2 for 2 prospect swap.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I don’t know if this is coincidental but I see that Sam Dickinson has been brought up in a thread about moving down and I’m not surprised to hear that Sharks fans are vehemently opposed to this. That’s the problem here, it’s suggested that it would take a big overpay to move down, a name is mentioned that fits the criteria, Sharks fans say no, and that’s it. It’s fine, sometimes there isn’t a deal to be made.

This. And only this.

I believe the whole SJS want Schaefer s$%t hit the fan with this...

And since then, I'm seeing all sorts of wild suggestions in Islanderville including Smith or Eklund and/or gobs of draft picks.

I'm sitting here asking myself if everyone just lives in crazyland?

'Cause even if you want to have some fun with this, I don't know how they get around the name Dickinson when thinking of any deal from San Jose.

Logic is logic is logic:
If Darche would be deciding to forego selecting Schaefer by flipping the first overall, then he's doing so to select a forward. Obviously. And nothing will entice him to take that step more than a move that brings back a defensive prostpect who is comparably good to Schaefer. Dickinson is exactly that. And he's a SJS property.

BUT if Dickinson+Misa/Hagens > Schaefer (which would be his determination), then why in all of God's great green nature would San Jose do it in the first place?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I keep coming back to the idea that either Eklund, Dickinson, or 2026 1st need to be attached. I highly doubt the 2026 1st is moved but I’d attach Danny Nelson/Finley to make a deal happen. So let’s say Schaefer + Nelson for Misa + Dickinson. I really think I’d make that deal, and it’s an overpay for San Jose, but I think that they could wrap their heads around the idea of a 2 for 2 prospect swap.

You want Dickinson or Eklund too much.

If SJS really wants Schaefer that bad, the Islanders don't have to penny up another top prospect to make it happen.

I'd hope that Darche and Grier could chat in a realistic manner and turn the whole thing into something akin to this:
2nd OA + Dickinson + Bordeleau
for
1st OA + Bolduc + Duclair

And if I'm Grier, I don't even know if I do that.

It only really makes sense if I'm thinking Schaefer is truly the Bouchard to Dickinson's Dobson, so to speak. I hold those two prospects to be that comparable.

Alas, if Darche could pull off something like this, the question after that is if he wants to select Misa or if he chats with a Chicago team that may have their eyes set on him.

 

[Glorydays22]

You want Dickinson or Eklund too much.

If SJS really wants Schaefer that bad, the Islanders don't have to penny up another top prospect to make it happen.

I'd hope that Darche and Grier could chat in a realistic manner and turn the whole thing into something akin to this:
2nd OA + Dickinson + Bordeleau
for
1st OA + Bolduc + Duclair

And if I'm Grier, I don't even know if I do that.

It only really makes sense if I'm thinking Schaefer is truly the Bouchard to Dickinson's Dobson, so to speak. I hold those two prospects to be that comparable.

Alas, if Darche could pull off something like this, the question after that is if he wants to select Misa or if he chats with a Chicago team that may have their eyes set on him.

If they want Schaefer that badly....they have to pay! An overpayment. WE are losing out to an elite LD, they don't grow on trees.