Proposal: SJ/SEA/EDM

  • PLEASE check any bookmark on all devices. IF you see a link pointing to mandatory.com DELETE it Please use this URL https://forums.hfboards.com/

Kelevra

Registered User
Mar 6, 2007
664
124
To SJ
Kassian
Retain 50% on Kane

To SEA
Foegle
Lavoie
Edm 1st
SJ 2nd
Retain additional 50% on Kane (25% of current contract)
Retain 50% on Donskoi

To Edm
Kane @75% retention
Donskoi @50% retention
Appleton
Jarnkrok
 

majormajor

Registered User
Jun 23, 2018
26,284
32,040
It's better to list it as two separated deals. I don't like looking at this mess.
 

Stewie Griffin

What the deuce
May 9, 2019
5,274
8,549
Canada
San Jose would have to
a) eat 3.5M of Kane's salary for 3 more years
b) add 3.2M of Kassian's salary for 3 more years
c) Give up a 2nd

Essentially meaning we gain 0.3M of cap space, while losing a 2nd round pick, to ice Kassian instead of Kane. That's terrible.

We can buy out Kane, keep our 2nd round pick, and open up a few million in cap space instead.
 

LTIR

Registered User
Nov 8, 2013
27,327
14,579
So Foegele-1st-Lavoie for Appleton-Jarnkrok-Donskoi(50%)

Kassian for Kane 75% retained

Looks complicated but pretty good for Edmonton
 

HoseEmDown

Registered User
Mar 25, 2012
17,516
3,738
Terrible for Seattle. Maybe if you take out Appleton and Donskoi they may consider. Retaining on Kane, even if it isn't as much as SJ is, will cost a lot due to years left. Lavoie is a nothing prospect and Foegele has no value to Seattle with having 2 years at 2.75M left, Turris would be a better cap dump as they get him off the books this summer.
 

Bizz

Slacked for Mack
Oct 17, 2007
11,588
7,770
San Jose
San Jose is not retaining anything on Kane while giving away a draft pick of any kind, let alone a 2nd, for a useless cap dump.
 

DingDongCharlie

Registered User
Sep 12, 2010
11,599
9,710
Edmonton comes out the best and is still without a goalie or top 4 LD and their 1st is gone.

No team does this although if somehow it went thru Kane at 1.75 million cap hit is worth the risk but I think Edmonton doesn’t have the leadership in the room to handle his addition like a Penguins or Tampa Bay could
 

Kelevra

Registered User
Mar 6, 2007
664
124
San Jose would have to
a) eat 3.5M of Kane's salary for 3 more years
b) add 3.2M of Kassian's salary for 3 more years
c) Give up a 2nd

Essentially meaning we gain 0.3M of cap space, while losing a 2nd round pick, to ice Kassian instead of Kane. That's terrible.

We can buy out Kane, keep our 2nd round pick, and open up a few million in cap space instead.

Kassian has 2 more years, not 3
 

Jumptheshark

Rebooting myself
Oct 12, 2003
100,456
14,465
Somewhere on Uranus
To SJ
Kassian
Retain 50% on Kane

To SEA
Foegle
Lavoie
Edm 1st
SJ 2nd
Retain additional 50% on Kane (25% of current contract)
Retain 50% on Donskoi

To Edm
Kane @75% retention
Donskoi @50% retention
Appleton
Jarnkrok


too many moving pieces and does not address the goalie situation in Edmonton. Seattle makes out like bandits though. San Jose says no
 
  • Like
Reactions: Deaner

HoseEmDown

Registered User
Mar 25, 2012
17,516
3,738
too many moving pieces and does not address the goalie situation in Edmonton. Seattle makes out like bandits though. San Jose says no

How does Seattle make out like bandits? They have a 1.75M dead cap for 3 more years retaining on Kane, they have 1.8M dead retaining on Donskoi. Have to take Foegele at 2.75M for the next 2 seasons after this. They give up 2 forwards who are better than Foegele that they don't want to and Jankrok who they probably want to deal but for just picks. All they really get is a late 1st and a 2nd, that's not close at all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nightrain and Irie

seroes

Registered User
May 3, 2016
2,922
1,767
California
I'm usually all for a deal that gets rid of Kane, but paying for a cap dump is a no go. I can't imagine why Seattle does this either.
 

Pinkfloyd

Registered User
Oct 29, 2006
71,156
14,781
Folsom
Structurally, this trade won't work because Seattle isn't trading anything to San Jose for Kane. For retention trades, there has to be something going the other way and it essentially has to function as two separate trades.

If the Sharks are trading with Seattle to move Kane and giving them a 2nd, Seattle will need to send San Jose back something then send Kane along at 50% to Edmonton for whatever. A Kane deal to anywhere to where the receiving team is going to get him at 25% of his cap hit is not going to include all of this.

The odds that a deal is there to be made where a team gets Kane at 25% is unlikely considering the circumstances. With three seasons to go after this one, it's difficult to ask a third team to eat 1.75 mil in dead cap for that long let alone gauge a good value for it. I think the conversation needs to steer more towards which teams will want Kane at 3.5 mil while also having a similar term contract to send back as the basis for a trade. If things don't work out for that team, the buyout is only 50% on you. That sort of cap hit is 1.8, 1.3, 2.3, and 833k for three more seasons. This assumes that things go south quickly with Kane which seems unlikely. Kane doesn't tend to wear out his welcome until his third or fourth year.

The risk that is there with what is laid out can be determined if it's worth it or not by each individual but it seems super unlikely any of these double retention trades will materialize. The Sharks will buy him out if the cost to move him is really anything beyond retention plus a 3.5 mil contract returned or players they don't value moving forward. Those players likely not being anything anyone else would want to trade for anyway.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad