It's hard to see a Meier trade before he's eligible to sign an extension, imo. Draft time trades for the Sharks probably includes one of their goalies rather than Meier. I'd only move Meier if he doesn't want to stay for whatever reason or we just get blown away by an offer.
Proposal: SJ/NJ
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Gurglesons
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I’m not even sure how to respond to your post,
I am going through a rollercoaster of emotions . Laughter , anger , then laughter again , then confusion , then denial that this was posted for real, then anger once again if you were serious , now back to laughter.
Incredibly fair? I agree that I’d rather have Meier than Bratt but all thngs considered I wouldn’t swap pick #2 for 11 for that “upgrade“.
Forge
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Depending on who you consider a power forward or not, and excluding Matthew, I think you can still reasonably argue Brady, JT Miller and Svech, though I think that they are mostly populating the same bucket.
I like the symmetry of 2 OA for Meier (9OA) and 11 OA. I don’t think Devils add anything significant.
For the Sharks, 2OA guarantees you either Wright or Slafkovsky, probably the only 2 NHL-ready players in the draft. Helps the team maintain the appearance of “winning now” while facilitating their rebuild. Most importantly frees San Jose from the cap debacle they’ve got brewing next season.
For the Devils, you get a great young power forward, no injury history, coming off a point per game season on a bad team. Helps them make the play-offs, fits nicely with their core, and they have the cap space to sign him long term.
I don’t think 11OA is really a huge part of the calculus here since this draft is pretty sub-par by most reports. I don’t think you make a trade like this without it though. There is a sizable jump in quality from 11OA to 2OA that kind of bums out the win/win described above.
I like this trade. I think this trade makes sense. I hope it happens. SJ needs to clear cap badly if they are going to keep their other RFA/UFA players. Quality players on an ELC are gonna be a must if they want to remain relevant with Vlasic and Karlsson on the books.
For the Sharks, 2OA guarantees you either Wright or Slafkovsky, probably the only 2 NHL-ready players in the draft. Helps the team maintain the appearance of “winning now” while facilitating their rebuild. Most importantly frees San Jose from the cap debacle they’ve got brewing next season.
For the Devils, you get a great young power forward, no injury history, coming off a point per game season on a bad team. Helps them make the play-offs, fits nicely with their core, and they have the cap space to sign him long term.
I don’t think 11OA is really a huge part of the calculus here since this draft is pretty sub-par by most reports. I don’t think you make a trade like this without it though. There is a sizable jump in quality from 11OA to 2OA that kind of bums out the win/win described above.
I like this trade. I think this trade makes sense. I hope it happens. SJ needs to clear cap badly if they are going to keep their other RFA/UFA players. Quality players on an ELC are gonna be a must if they want to remain relevant with Vlasic and Karlsson on the books.
Gurglesons
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Bratt is a very good forward, but his skill set and style is way more prevalent and easy to acquire versus Meier's.
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Gurglesons
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You're getting 11th overall. I dunno. It's not like anyone in the top 3 is a player that is going to make or break the Devils.
Eggtimer
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That’s the thing. Devils need a Slaflovsky type player. Maybe Cutter Gauthier at 11 would help but he is a reach at 11 probably. Yes addig Meier helps a lot with adding “heavier “ style players but I think we need more of that yet?
Is there any way in the world to work a deal around Holtz plus plus plus ? I’m guessig the answer is hell no. (Without adding pick #2 or Bratt)
Hotlz plus 2nd rounder (early in the round ) plus ??
Im thjnkg it’s pretty underwhelming .
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Gurglesons
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I’m not super high on Slaflovsky. I like him, but I love Meier as a neutral fan and someone who really digs the Devils.
Yeah it's a bit of a disaster on paper, but the expectation is that he'd probably sign a longer term extension under the QO value, rather than just take 1 year at 10M and risk injury.
Andre Palot
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I don't see how this makes NJ a better team but I I can see how this makes SJ a better team.
Not a fan of this.
Monsieur Verdoux
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I disagree. I think Slafkovsky (or Wright) is much better prospect than, for example, Lekkerimäki or Nazar. I also think that Slafkovsky or Wright will be as good player for the Devils as Hischier or Bratt. It's much less likely with those other prospects.
Meier isn't that much better player than Bratt that I would sacrifice the #2 oa, especially if Meier's next contract is over 8M and Bratt gets something like 6,5M.
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You want your Swiss connection then we'd want to reunite Holtz and Eklund
Gauthier a reach at #11?
Hotlz and a 2nd..No
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Meier and Bratt have nearly identical PPGs the past 3 years and Bratt is 2 years younger.
So yeah, I'm good. Thanks.
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Forge
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Not quite, but not a big enough difference to make that big of a deal. They are separated by about 20 games over the last three years and not all of Bratt's games were missed due to injury.
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Meier has a poison pill contract, that is why. He signs his 10M QO next offseason and walks in a year.
If he were signed, then we are talking a completely different scenario. But then, if he were signed, it is very doubtful San Jose moves him. Catch 22.
themelkman
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I like it but I get they wont want to move Bratt. Still think Holtz plus 2023 first is the deal that makes the most sense for Meier
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Unless you're playing fantasy hockey, where points in 5-1 losses are equally valued with goals or assists that win or tie games - plus doing things that win games like defending in your own zone, forechecking, or going into hard areas - there isn't a lot of value to Jesper's game; though he is not the Devils' most overrated player.
That honor would go to either one of their $8 m+ defensemen, either of the Hughes Brothers, or possibly Damon Severson.
That some Devils fans suggest that he is untouchable or worth the rumored $7 m contract after four seasons in which the team hasn't even been close to competing for a playoff spot is disconcerting to say the least.
Forge
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I have no idea how the team not being able to compete during the last four years has any impact on his worth. That's bizarre. The team being unable to put good players around him means he's not worth his production?
I'm thinking this just got worded strangely and you just consider his production not worth it?
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