Prospect Info: SJ HFBoards 2024-25 Prospect Pyramid: Tier III

[OrrNumber4]

How you choose to express your opinion is up to you and you should take responsibility for it. You chose to attack the criteria as opposed to taking a constructive approach for improving what we hope will be a fun exercise each offseason.

Attack is a very strong word; I thought I was fairly constructive. My one criticism was pointing out that the definitions are being changed (with no notice) from thread to thread.

Here is an example of how you can set up the tiers:

Key	F Example	D Example	G example
Legendary	McDavid	Orr	Roy
Generational	Crosby	Makar
Franchise	Kopitar	E.Karlsson	Quick
Elite	Pavelski	Vlasic	Nabokov
1A/#1/Starter	Marleau	Boyle	Vernon
1B/#2/1A	Couture	Ehrhoff	Mrazek
2nd line/#3/1B	M.Sturm	Braun	Reimer
3rd line/#4-5/Backup	Coyle	Ferraro	Stalock
4th line /#6-7/3rd-string	Wingels	J.Ryan	Grosenick
Journeyman	Gambrell	Joslin	Schaefer

If you remove the Legendary and Generational tiers, that gives you 8. A little more compression and you can get 6:

Key	F Example	D Example	G example
Franchise	Kopitar	E.Karlsson	Quick
Elite	Pavelski	Vlasic	Nabokov
Solid Top HOTL/Starter	Marleau/Hertl	Boyle/Ehrhoff	Vernon
Middle HOTL/Tandem	M.Sturm/Coyle	Braun/Dillon	Mrazek/Reimer
Bottom HOTL/Backup	Wingels/Smith	Huskins/J.Ryan	Stalock
Journeyman	Gambrell	Joslin	Schaefer

Maybe add another tier for boom/bust prospects and Bob's your uncle...

 

[Lebanezer]

Attack is a very strong word; I thought I was fairly constructive. My one criticism was pointing out that the definitions are being changed (with no notice) from thread to thread.

Here is an example of how you can set up the tiers:

Key	F Example	D Example	G example
Legendary	McDavid	Orr	Roy
Generational	Crosby	Makar
Franchise	Kopitar	E.Karlsson	Quick
Elite	Pavelski	Vlasic	Nabokov
1A/#1/Starter	Marleau	Boyle	Vernon
1B/#2/1A	Couture	Ehrhoff	Mrazek
2nd line/#3/1B	M.Sturm	Braun	Reimer
3rd line/#4-5/Backup	Coyle	Ferraro	Stalock
4th line /#6-7/3rd-string	Wingels	J.Ryan	Grosenick
Journeyman	Gambrell	Joslin	Schaefer

If you remove the Legendary and Generational tiers, that gives you 8. A little more compression and you can get 6:

Key	F Example	D Example	G example
Franchise	Kopitar	E.Karlsson	Quick
Elite	Pavelski	Vlasic	Nabokov
Solid Top HOTL/Starter	Marleau/Hertl	Boyle/Ehrhoff	Vernon
Middle HOTL/Tandem	M.Sturm/Coyle	Braun/Dillon	Mrazek/Reimer
Bottom HOTL/Backup	Wingels/Smith	Huskins/J.Ryan	Stalock
Journeyman	Gambrell	Joslin	Schaefer

Maybe add another tier for boom/bust prospects and Bob's your uncle...

I appreciate the effort here and that’s certainly more constructive.

 

[matt trick]

I like the 6-tiers. You can quibble endlessly, but I think it’s pretty good breaks. The franchise/elite/starter/1a/1b and elite/solid top hotl are tricky, but that leaves room for discussion. For instance, Marleau hit 500 goals and 1200 points, that’s got to be elite. If Smith (our 2nd or 3rd best prospect ever) had Marleau’s career (with a cup in SJ), we’d be thrilled with that.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I like the 6-tiers. You can quibble endlessly, but I think it’s pretty good breaks. The franchise/elite/starter/1a/1b and elite/solid top hotl are tricky, but that leaves room for discussion. For instance, Marleau hit 500 goals and 1200 points, that’s got to be elite. If Smith (our 2nd or 3rd best prospect ever) had Marleau’s career (with a cup in SJ), we’d be thrilled with that.

By the career numbers, he's elite. But if you look at peak and prime, he's lacking. A few top-10 Selke finishes, and two seasons where he was top-10 in scoring aren't much to brag about considering the company he wants to be in.

Pavelski at least has the AS nod and a few seasons where he was top-10 in points.

That said, if Smith can have a career where the overall value is similar to Marleau's (maybe a faster start, and more peak/prime production), I'd be ecstatic.