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Sir Sam of House Bennett Contract Speculation

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first off I’m very happy to break in the new screen name and avatar.

Does the Verhage contract put a cap on what FLA will pay Bennett?

Surely he can’t ask for more than 7m.

Who are the comparable though?
What’s your prediction and can FLA afford it?

Very interesting player. Doesn’t score a lot of points but is certainly a catalyst roster piece.
 
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I feel like his ask is going to be over $7m and the Panthers won't keep him. He'll then sign with a rebuilding team that vastly overpays him.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
I'd pay him 7M in a heartbeat. Dude is an incredible all around center built for the playoffs.
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I think so too but I’m wondering what the consensus is and who people see as a comparable.

I think he is like JT Miller or Gabe Landeskog but without the production.

Anyone else come to mind?
 
SirSamofHouseBennett said:
first off I’m very happy to break in the new screen name and avatar.

Does the Verhage contract put a cap on what FLA will pay Bennett?

Surely he can’t ask for more than 7m.

Who are the comparable though?
What’s your prediction and can FLA afford it?

Very interesting player. Doesn’t score a lot of points but is certainly a catalyst roster piece.
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I think he’s getting more than 7
 
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SirSamofHouseBennett said:
I think so too but I’m wondering what the consensus is and who people see as a comparable.

I think he is like JT Miller or Gabe Landeskog but without the production.

Anyone else come to mind?
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He's averaged a ~60 point pace as a Panther while playing in a secondary scoring role. He's an elite all situations 1B/2A center who can literally do it all for a team looking to contend.
As mentioned, Stephenson is probably a good comparable. Hischier contract is probably pretty close too.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
He's averaged a ~60 point pace as a Panther while playing in a secondary scoring role. He's an elite all situations 1B/2A center who can literally do it all for a team looking to contend.
As mentioned, Stephenson is probably a good comparable. Hischier contract is probably pretty close too.
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Brings a nastiness few top 6 guys possess too- rare commodities usually get overpaid on the market
 
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CDJ said:
Brings a nastiness few top 6 guys possess too- rare commodities usually get overpaid on the market
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Yep. He's an old school guy who can play the game any way you want. Excellent in all three zones. Great puck carrier and distributor while being one of the hardest hitting players in the game AND being one of the best pound for pound fighters around. That's an extremely rare combination. He's also excellent at getting pucks go the net and creating space for his teammates.

There's a reason both Huberdeau and Tkachuk had their career years playing on Bennett's wing - his ability to transport the puck through the neutral zone and create havoc in the offensive zone is exactly what heavy footed scoring wingers need.

There really aren't very many top 6 centers like him in the league.

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Over the last 3 years, there have been 5 players who have paced for an average of 50+ points, 175+ hits, and 225+ shots, and only one of them was a center:

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[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Position[/TD]
[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]Points/82 game pace[/TD]
[TD]Shots/82 game pace[/TD]
[TD]Hits/82 game pace[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alex Ovechkin[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]229[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]322[/TD]
[TD]182[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Andrei Svechnikov[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]201[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]244[/TD]
[TD]192[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brady Tkachuk[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]242[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]336[/TD]
[TD]273[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evander Kane[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]161[/TD]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]264[/TD]
[TD]259[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sam Bennett[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]203[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]244[/TD]
[TD]179[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

That's 4 of the top power wingers in the league, and then Sam Bennett.

Same story at 5v5, only 3 guys average 9+ shots and hits/60 while putting up 1.80+ p/60:

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[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Position[/TD]
[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]Points/60[/TD]
[TD]Shots/60[/TD]
[TD]Hits/60[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brady Tkachuk[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]242[/TD]
[TD]2.33[/TD]
[TD]11.4[/TD]
[TD]13.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sam Bennett[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]203[/TD]
[TD]1.90[/TD]
[TD]9.8[/TD]
[TD]9.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evander Kane[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]161[/TD]
[TD]1.88[/TD]
[TD]10.5[/TD]
[TD]12.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

This also highlights how much of a unicorn Brady Tkachuk is among wingers - there's a reason his contract far exceeded what his raw point totals would have suggested. Signed an $8.2M AAV despite pacing for 53 points in his contract year.

Sam Bennett is similarly a unicorn among centers, and has averaged a 33 goal 61 point pace during the team's last two very successful playoff runs (with a higher 5v5 p/60 than Barkov). His playoffs hits/60 nearly doubled from 9.1 in the regular season to 17.1 in those 2 runs, which again shows his value in the playoffs.

Lindholm is probably the best, most recent comparison - they'll be the same age at the time of signing, and they are both versatile, well rounded all situations centers who are good but not elite offensively, but they've proven they're capable of centering a top team's #1 scoring line. Lindholm paced for 16 goal 48 points in his contract year, pretty far below the 27g 56p pace Bennett has averaged as a Panther.

Other recent examples that make sense are Hertl, Couturier, Kadri, Horvat, and Cirelli.
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[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]AAV[/TD]
[TD]Inflation adjusted (assume 3.0% annual)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Horvat[/TD]
[TD]$8.5M[/TD]
[TD]$9.02M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hertl[/TD]
[TD]$8.14M[/TD]
[TD]$8.89M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lindholm[/TD]
[TD]$7.75M[/TD]
[TD]$7.98M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Couturier[/TD]
[TD]$7.75M[/TD]
[TD]$8.47M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kadri[/TD]
[TD]$7M[/TD]
[TD]$7.65M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cirelli[/TD]
[TD]$6.25M[/TD]
[TD]$6.63M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Average[/TD]
[TD]$7.57M[/TD]
[TD]$8.11M[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

When you factor in his physicality and the way he elevates his game during the playoffs, I think Bennett's agent should be asking for $8M+ on a long term deal. If Panthers can get him for anything less $7.5M I think that's a discount vs what the market would offer, especially considering what we just saw Lindholm sign for.
 
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What is happening? We are comparing a player with a career high of 49 points to a guy who has been over 70 for the last two years? AND we are thinking Bennett is worth more?

Have you guys all hit your heads?
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
He's averaged a ~60 point pace as a Panther while playing in a secondary scoring role. He's an elite all situations 1B/2A center who can literally do it all for a team looking to contend.
As mentioned, Stephenson is probably a good comparable. Hischier contract is probably pretty close too.
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Hischier is a 2017 draft pick vs Bennett 2014, 3 years are quite significant when Bennett's deal kicks in next year (at ~30 years old)

Hischier isnt as physcial but is better on both offense and defense

Hischier did sign as an rfa and under lower cap hit but I dont see them as comparable players tbh

Bennett is a good 2C but not a 1C on a playoff team like Hishcier can be.

6 years 6.25M would be a nice deal for the panthers
 
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