Player Discussion: Simon Holmstrom

[Mike C]

The first time I saw Gretzky play I didn't get what all the hubbub was about.

The first time I saw Gretzky play I didn't get what all the hubbub was about.

I felt the same way about Rocky Trottier when the Devils made him 8th pick overall that year. At least he made it to the big league unlike Keith. At least his big brother Wayne did ok in the league!

 

[danteipp]

In Bridgeport he made some nifty passes. As he learns other players tendencies, hopefully he can bring that skill to the NY Islanders too.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

Saw some learning moments last night. Emphasis on “learning”

 

[Strummergas]

Yeah, last night was a rough one for him. Games like that are inevitable for the vast majority of rookies, but the fact that it took that long for him to have one is encouraging.

 

[CupHolders]

Yeah, last night was a rough one for him. Games like that are inevitable for the vast majority of rookies, but the fact that it took that long for him to have one is encouraging.

Really like his overall positioning and use of his body to just cut down lanes. Getting some Ondrej Palat vibes from the past few games.

I didn’t check the game minutes, but with Beauvillier and Clutterbuck missing time I assume Holmstrom got more minutes. At least until Clutterbuck returned.

The extra minutes against the Devils pace seemed to expose his inexperience.

 

[seafoam]

Really like his overall positioning and use of his body to just cut down lanes. Getting some Ondrej Palat vibes from the past few games.

I didn’t check the game minutes, but with Beauvillier and Clutterbuck missing time I assume Holmstrom got more minutes. At least until Clutterbuck returned.

The extra minutes against the Devils pace seemed to expose his inexperience.

When Palmieri is healthy, I’m curious to see if they send Holmstrom down and he begins to rip up the AHL after getting what is one of the biggest cups of coffee for a rookie under the Lamoriello era.

 

[CupHolders]

When Palmieri is healthy, I’m curious to see if they send Holmstrom down and he begins to rip up the AHL after getting what is one of the biggest cups of coffee for a rookie under the Lamoriello era.

I could absolutely see that happening. Returning to the AHL pace after acclimating well to the NHL.

I’m a big fan of giving prospects spot duty a year before giving them a more serious look for full time. This allows them to apply what they learn in the NHL as top liner in the AHL.

What is important is communication on the organization’s part, so the player does not internalize it as a failure. But sheltered development.

 

[SI]

When Palmieri is healthy, I’m curious to see if they send Holmstrom down and he begins to rip up the AHL after getting what is one of the biggest cups of coffee for a rookie under the Lamoriello era.

I don't think Holmstrom is going to burn the house down with his offensive prowess... even at the AHL level. He reminds me of F version of Calvin de Haan

 

[Isles72]

as a few others have stated he has really good positioning for a young player .

hopefully he stays up for the rest of the season even when Palms returns while #12 takes a seat

 

[The Real JT]

We’re so starved for new blood in our forward lineup that some of these posts are getting a little ahead of themselves.

I have no idea what this kid’s going to be but he’s certainly not lighting it up. He’s defensively sound which is a plus. Maybe the offense will follow. Who knows?

9 games: 0 goals, 1 assist and a total of 4 shots playing 11+ minutes a game.

Don’t hate me. On second thought, go ahead. IDGAF.

 

[JPIsles18]

We’re so starved for new blood in our forward lineup that some of these posts are getting a little ahead of themselves.

I have no idea what this kid’s going to be but he’s certainly not lighting it up. He’s defensively sound which is a plus. Maybe the offense will follow. Who knows?

9 games: 0 goals, 1 assist and a total of 4 shots playing 11+ minutes a game.

Don’t hate me. On second thought, go ahead. IDGAF.

In the 9 games he's been on the team, he leads the team in xGF with 54% at 5v5. However, he's been outscored 2-3, in actual goals 5v5. He seems like a low event player who has looked good defensively.

As a comparison during the same timeframe: Pageau is at 47% xGF, outscored 1-5. Bailey is at an awful 38%, and is even scoring 2-2.

Holmstrom is likely a bottom 6 forward who is good defensively. He should replace Bailey, who is neither good offensively or defensively. The Isles have mostly struggled on defense this year. Hoping Simon stays with Bailey being scratched/waived.

 

[MJF]

In the 9 games he's been on the team, he leads the team in xGF with 54% at 5v5. However, he's been outscored 2-3, in actual goals 5v5. He seems like a low event player who has looked good defensively.

As a comparison during the same timeframe: Pageau is at 47% xGF, outscored 1-5. Bailey is at an awful 38%, and is even scoring 2-2.

Holmstrom is likely a bottom 6 forward who is good defensively. He should replace Bailey, who is neither good offensively or defensively. The Isles have mostly struggled on defense this year. Hoping Simon stays with Bailey being scratched/waived.

The bolded is something you don't mind having out of a rookie called up as an injury replacement. The trouble is the uneven production of the other regulars in the lineup.

Does Kyle Palmieri outproduce the guy replacing him? Absolutely. I'd say we're missing him right about now.

 

[The Real JT]

Bottom 6 defensively minded forward is a low bar for a first round pick. He’s barely been here so who knows.

We’ve done worse I suppose.

 

[Mike C]

Bottom 6 defensively minded forward is a low bar for a first round pick. He’s barely been here so who knows.

We’ve done worse I suppose.

The unspoken part is done worse and likely will again!

 

[QuadDeuces]

This was a bad pick from the start IMO, with Kaliyev still on the board. As far as I can see, Holmstrom has absolutely no discernible skills that will make him a useful every day NHLer.

 

[Throttle]

This was a bad pick from the start IMO, with Kaliyev still on the board. As far as I can see, Holmstrom has absolutely no discernible skills that will make him a useful every day NHLer.

Really bad, I mean they should have picked that guy that was picked 10 picks later in the 2nd round. Maybe they should have picked Pelletier, Suzuki, or Beecher - all forwards picked after him in the first round with zero NHL games played. Actually, they should have traded up for franchise offensive player in Turcotte…

 

[Mike C]

Really bad, I mean they should have picked that guy that was picked 10 picks later in the 2nd round. Maybe they should have picked Pelletier, Suzuki, or Beecher - all forwards picked after him in the first round with zero NHL games played. Actually, they should have traded up for franchise offensive player in Turcotte…

Coulda Shoulda Woulda

3 words that needs to be banned from the English language along with if ida

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Bottom 6 defensively minded forward is a low bar for a first round pick. He’s barely been here so who knows.

We’ve done worse I suppose.

I have such low expectations for draft picks that if you make the show, it’s a success for me.

Anything more, I.E an impact player, that’s luck.

 

[JPIsles18]

Bottom 6 defensively minded forward is a low bar for a first round pick. He’s barely been here so who knows.

We’ve done worse I suppose.

He was picked in the 20s. He looks like an NHL forward. Pageau, Palmieri, Bailey, Cizikas, Martin, Clutterbuck, Beauvillier, Parise, Johnston are all bottom 6 forwards on good teams. Most posters here still think this is a playoff team that can go far because they did so in the past.

There's value in real good cheap bottom 6 forwards. It allows you to acquire guys like Johnny Gaudreau. Bottom 6 forwards are excellent assets unless you overpay them. Lou has mastered collecting overpriced bottom 6 forwards, so I have no issues with him acquiring him late in first round (even though I didn't like the pick, I wanted Tomasino). Bigger issue is that guys like Bailey will continue to play over him while making 4.1 million more and offering nothing on either side of the ice.

As long as the Isles continue to waste away valuable cap space, and not play young players, it won't matter how they draft.

 

[Throttle]

He was picked in the 20s. He looks like an NHL forward. Pageau, Palmieri, Bailey, Cizikas, Martin, Clutterbuck, Beauvillier, Parise, Johnston are all bottom 6 forwards on good teams. Most posters here still think this is a playoff team that can go far because they did so in the past.

There's value in real good cheap bottom 6 forwards. It allows you to acquire guys like Johnny Gaudreau. Bottom 6 forwards are excellent assets unless you overpay them. Lou has mastered collecting overpriced bottom 6 forwards, so I have no issues with him acquiring him late in first round (even though I didn't like the pick, I wanted Tomasino). Bigger issue is that guys like Bailey will continue to play over him while making 4.1 million more and offering nothing on either side of the ice.

As long as the Isles continue to waste away valuable cap space, and not play young players, it won't matter how they draft.

Except Lou didn’t pay Bailey, some guy named Garth did. He was signed as a 2nd liner.

 

[Mike C]

Except Lou didn’t pay Bailey, some guy named Garth did. He was signed as a 2nd liner.

At this point we might be better off with Garth Gimble.

 

[scottywiper]

Unlike most of our forwards Holmstrom wins the majority of his battles for the puck. Which seems a good starting point. Reckon he's been decent enough at this stage.

 

[JPIsles18]

Except Lou didn’t pay Bailey, some guy named Garth did. He was signed as a 2nd liner.

Very true. But Lou knew he was on board when he decided to load up on other 3rd liners.

 

[Sparksrus3]

At this point we might be better off with Garth Gimble.

or Dirk Diggler

 

[leeroggy]

Coulda Shoulda Woulda

3 words that needs to be banned from the English language along with if ida

Can we ban You Light Up My Life too? High on my bucket list . . .