Simon Edvinsson

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I think he has the best CF% among our defenseman and we also have one of the better shot differentials when he is the ice compared to most of our other defenseman.

The kid is good (and will keep getting better).

I know we want both edvinsson and seider to carry a pairing, and they may do that later in their careers, but as of right now I think it’s clearly best for both of them to be together. It helps long term development. It may hurt the rest of our pairings but good players need to play with good players.

 

[Frk It]

I know we both want edvinsson and seider to carry a pairing, and they may do that later in their careers, but as of right now I think it’s clearly best for both of them to be together. It helps long term development. It may hurt the rest of our pairings but good players need to play with good players.

I am fine with it either way. I watched Suter-Weber play half the game together for Nashville for years and they won a lot of games with that pairing carrying the way.

 

[Hobnobs]

I am fine with it either way. I watched Suter-Weber play half the game together for Nashville for years and they won a lot of games with that pairing carrying the way.

Now thats a team that drafts and develops defenseman imagine losing Ryan Suter and boom you have Josi, Ellis, Ekholm and Blum just popping up.

 

[Oddbob]

Now thats a team that drafts and develops defenseman imagine losing Ryan Suter and boom you have Josi, Ellis, Ekholm and Blum just popping up.

Umm, Blum?

 

[norrisnick]

Or Jones...

 

[MabusIncarnate]

Now thats a team that drafts and develops defenseman imagine losing Ryan Suter and boom you have Josi, Ellis, Ekholm and Blum just popping up.

I laughed at Blum

 

[Hobnobs]

Umm, Blum?

I laughed at Blum

You guys realise that Blum was looked upon as a good young defenseman back then right? Who played 17 minutes per night. Pretty promising. We will probably laugh at one of the Wings D prospects the same way in a few years.

 

[Oddbob]

You guys realise that Blum was looked upon as a good young defenseman back then right? Who played 17 minutes per night. Pretty promising. We will probably laugh at one of the Wings D prospects the same way in a few years.

His career was nothing great, which is why I questioned his inclusion among good blueliners. 110 games, -11 and only 15 minutes a night in a lower scoring time playing on a very defensive team.

 

[Hobnobs]

His career was nothing great, which is why I questioned his inclusion among good blueliners. 110 games, -11 and only 15 minutes a night in a lower scoring time playing on a very defensive team.

He obviously didn't pan out but in his initial season in the pros he was a staple on the preds blue line on the second pairing after being called up. I was a little wrong though as that happened with Suter still on the team. So exclude him and add Seth Jones instead.

Fun fact: Blum mentored Albert in Sweden.

 

[heyfolks]

Now thats a team that drafts and develops defenseman imagine losing Ryan Suter and boom you have Josi, Ellis, Ekholm and Blum just popping up.

You mean like Seider, Edvinsson, and soon ASP? They have Buium, Wallinder and Johnasson in the ranks as a potential pop up.

Simon - My only criticisms are
1) Puck retrieval. He needs to turn and skate harder to gain distance fro the forecheck. Too often he slows down thinking he can simply out muscle the other player. He can't at the NHL. This is trapping hi in his own zone.
2) The reach, the reach the reach. It is a great asset, but he must get closer to the opponent and use his body. He reaches early and often and it puts him off balance and/or out of position to take the body.

 

[GoBoltz56]

You guys realise that Blum was looked upon as a good young defenseman back then right? Who played 17 minutes per night. Pretty promising. We will probably laugh at one of the Wings D prospects the same way in a few years.

I've laughed (or cried) at many of them over the years.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Clarke has 11 points in 11 games now and I was laughed at on where earlier when I said he was the better pick.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Clarke has 11 points in 11 games now and I was laughed at on where earlier when I said he was the better pick.

No shit, he plays on the 2nd pair
He plays 3:13/game on the PP
He plays zero PK
5/11 of his points are on the PP (6 ES points)

Edvinsson plays on the 1st pair
He plays zero PP
He plays 2:19/game on the PK (and willed us to some wins based on his shutdown ability)
He has 4/4 ES points

I'm not discrediting the PP points from players, but not everything has to be a "gotcha" when one player gets that kind of opportunity, "looks good" on the stat sheet, and is "better" because of it

Your constant need to dunk on this forum every single opportunity that someone that Detroit passed on posted an encouraging statline is mind numbing at best

Both are excellent young players...

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

No shit, he plays on the 2nd pair
He plays 3:13/game on the PP
He plays zero PK
5/11 of his points are on the PP (6 ES points)

Edvinsson plays on the 1st pair
He plays zero PP
He plays 2:19/game on the PK (and willed us to some wins based on his shutdown ability)
He has 4/4 ES points

I'm not discrediting the PP points from players, but not everything has to be a "gotcha" when one player gets that kind of opportunity, "looks good" on the stat sheet, and is "better" because of it

Your constant need to dunk on this forum every single opportunity that someone that Detroit passed on posted an encouraging statline is mind numbing at best

Both are excellent young players...

I laud your willingness to try to educate the lad. I'd have recommended he take up watching badminton instead of hockey.

 

[newfy]

Clarke has 11 points in 11 games now and I was laughed at on where earlier when I said he was the better pick.

Thats because it was funny and stupid then... same as now

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I think you take the swing on a guy like edvinsson every single time, even then he’s only 21, and has been playing overall well imo. I don’t understand the negativity.

 

[RedHawkDown]

You mean like Seider, Edvinsson, and soon ASP? They have Buium, Wallinder and Johnasson in the ranks as a potential pop up.

Simon - My only criticisms are
1) Puck retrieval. He needs to turn and skate harder to gain distance fro the forecheck. Too often he slows down thinking he can simply out muscle the other player. He can't at the NHL. This is trapping hi in his own zone.
2) The reach, the reach the reach. It is a great asset, but he must get closer to the opponent and use his body. He reaches early and often and it puts him off balance and/or out of position to take the body.

Surely you must realize that listing 3 top 20 picks is not the same as Nashville having a decades long history of consistently pulling multiple #1-2 dmen throughout the draft

Clarke has 11 points in 11 games now and I was laughed at on where earlier when I said he was the better pick.

Here I’ll laugh again. He sucks defensively but is great offensively. He wouldn’t make the team better we’d just score more and get scored on even more
Both good picks. I’d rather have Ed since we have ASP

 

[heyfolks]

Surely you must realize that listing 3 top 20 picks is not the same as Nashville having a decades long history of consistently pulling multiple #1-2 dmen throughout the draft

Not sure of your point. No arguing Nashville has drafted well on D. Weber and Jossie stand out as D men outside the first round. No defending the Wings post cap, pre yzerman drafts under Holland. The focus of my post is on the Wings current crop of D'men. I can't say if a player outside the top 20 will rise to even the NHL level, let alone the two 2nd round picks up by the Peds.

Nashville Predators Draft History at hockeydb.com

Detroit Red Wings Draft History at hockeydb.com

Nashville Predators Draft History at hockeydb.com

TOP 20

WINGS:

Seider
Edvinsson
ASP


Preds (98-21):

Seth Jones
Dante Fabbro
Ryan Ellis
Jonathon Blum
Ryan Parent
Ryan Suter
Dan Hamhuis


Decades of top 20, compared to a shorter time frame. I'd say the Wings stack up well. Again, no defending the Holland era. He has been outed for what he was, a builder of a solid staff with unlimited funds, not a hockey genius. When the cap hit and the staff left, he was exposed and the team sank like a rock.

 

[Preposterone]

I know we want both edvinsson and seider to carry a pairing, and they may do that later in their careers, but as of right now I think it’s clearly best for both of them to be together. It helps long term development. It may hurt the rest of our pairings but good players need to play with good players.

the wings don’t really have a choice imo, Seider and Ed are the only pairing that can be trusted consistently right now.

 

[Frk It]

I know we want both edvinsson and seider to carry a pairing, and they may do that later in their careers, but as of right now I think it’s clearly best for both of them to be together. It helps long term development. It may hurt the rest of our pairings but good players need to play with good players.

This is why you add a guy like Chychrun, Pesce, or Roy in the off season. We didn't so now we made our bed and have to lay in it.

This team would be so much better with another legit top 4 player on defense. Would allow us to split Ed and Mo and then bump everyone else down.

I think you take the swing on a guy like edvinsson every single time, even then he’s only 21, and has been playing overall well imo. I don’t understand the negativity.

Simon is a big bright spot for this team and one of the reasons I like tuning into games.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Edvinsson and Seider together is a really good, young, promising 1st Pair. Ed gets a real partner, an opportunity to build chemistry but runs the risk of being 'thrown into the fire' with taking crazy usage. That being said, is it better or worse for him or the Wings for him to move to the 2nd pair, see less top matchups and usage, but be asked to shoulder more responsibility of driving the success of that pair?

The issue really is that we don't have the luxury either of a true 1 LHD or a 2nd RHD to split them where we get reliable and complementary defensive pairings at the moment. The biggest gap in our lineup to date is trying to figure out one of those two holes - hence my secret hope that AlJo can take the LHD with Seider and just be dependable and have chemistry, so we can move Ed down to second pair, and have a Holl/Petry as an internal solve to this.

Ideally, we could try to secure an experienced, reliable veteran RHD to pair with Ed on the 2nd pair. One of the reasons not getting a Pesce, Roy, Trouba, etc. was kind of a let down because that would've given us better options for pairs.

 

[Frk It]

One of the reasons not getting a Pesce, Roy, Trouba, etc. was kind of a let down because that would've given us better options for pairs.

Which is crazy because it was such a glaring/obvious issue.

I would have bet a pretty decent sum of money we would have found a way to resolve it in a more meaningful way.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Which is crazy because it was such a glaring/obvious issue.

I would have bet a pretty decent sum of money we would have found a way to resolve it in a more meaningful way.

It is, although when it comes to FA (Pesce, Roy), it's hard to hold a team responsible or not, because Pesce and Roy could have just flat out not wanted to come here and there's not a ton we could've done about that - which we don't know. Or if they did, they wanted 8x8 or some insanity. What I do hold the front office accountable for was not having .. something in place to fill that RHD spot outside of "Lets just go with Jeff, Gus, and Holl".

And maybe that WAS the Trouba push? Maybe that was their solve to try to get that figured out. They moved on Walman to make space, had a deal to send Husso, had the retention, and Trouba blows it up at the 11th hour and everything looked kind of incomplete for both teams? Who knows...hard to play the hypotheticals. What I do know, if we could get a stay-at-home vet to man that spot, I think a lot of our D kind snaps into place in a really nice way.

 

[norrisnick]

It is, although when it comes to FA (Pesce, Roy), it's hard to hold a team responsible or not, because Pesce and Roy could have just flat out not wanted to come here and there's not a ton we could've done about that - which we don't know. Or if they did, they wanted 8x8 or some insanity. What I do hold the front office accountable for was not having .. something in place to fill that RHD spot outside of "Lets just go with Jeff, Gus, and Holl".

And maybe that WAS the Trouba push? Maybe that was their solve to try to get that figured out. They moved on Walman to make space, had a deal to send Husso, had the retention, and Trouba blows it up at the 11th hour and everything looked kind of incomplete for both teams? Who knows...hard to play the hypotheticals. What I do know, if we could get a stay-at-home vet to man that spot, I think a lot of our D kind snaps into place in a really nice way.

With the exception of Chia snapping to the top pair.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

With the exception of Chia snapping to the top pair.

I think in the instance where we got a good, veteran RHD (like a Trouba or Roy level guy); you could conceivably keep Ed and Mo together, and let Chiarot pair with the RHD as the 2nd pair, that would be a very physical duo together; leaving AlJo on LHD, to pair with Petry/Holl in limited minutes and use Gus only on PPQB2.

If AlJo ends up being really mature and rising to the challenge, you could move him to pair with the RHD, and keep Chiarot and Petry on the bottom which also wouldn't be bad either?