Value of: Simon Edvinsson’s next contract

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yzerman would just say he’s not good enough to run a powerplay then. Points are points, doesn’t matter where it comes from or why. It just shows you’re trusted enough to be on the ice in those situations.

Not giving him an opportunity and then holding it against him in negotiations seems like a good way to run players out of your organization.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

8x7.5 or 7.75

He’s been a beast all year. Simon will only get better from here on out.

 

[newfy]

Yzerman drives a hard bargain, he wont get more than Seider. With the cap going up he might get close to Seider, but he doesnt have close to the track record for somhing bigger on a long term deal. Close to Seider and I'm happy, noticeably less I'm ecstatic

 

[SirloinUB]

Given Yzerman's track record Id be surprised to see him signed this summer.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yzerman drives a hard bargain, he wont get more than Seider. With the cap going up he might get close to Seider, but he doesnt have close to the track record for somhing bigger on a long term deal. Close to Seider and I'm happy, noticeably less I'm ecstatic

Agreed on this, though the second half is dependent on when it's signed.

If he signs this summer, he doesn't really have a leg to stand on making more than Seider. Changes a bit with a $104M guaranteed cap and another solid season under his belt.

$8.55M in the 2026 offseason is essentially $7.25M in the 2024 offseason.

 

[iago]

Where does ASP play on the PP?

Grand Rapids.

 

[Indrid Cold]

If they pay him 8x8+ and ASP turns into what they are hoping for, then what (salary cap wise)?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If they pay him 8x8+ and ASP turns into what they are hoping for, then what (salary cap wise)?

If they pay him $8M x 8, then Larkin/Seider/Edvinsson/Raymond will take up about 28% of the salary cap by the time ASP needs a second deal.

In simpler terms, it wont matter.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

With the cap surge, young players are unwise to sign long term contracts.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

With the cap surge, young players are unwise to sign long term contracts.

The cap surge was expected before they even ironed this out, and you still had guys signing 8 year deals.

I think a lot of guys just want the security of getting their money locked in now.

 

[gn2007]

Could be hronek 2.0 you just never know. With dman they have to prove and show I'm guessing it be a bridge and than the big contract. See how other names start signing as d man and how similar it will be and what not.

 

[SirloinUB]

Based on how the Raymond, Seider, and Larkin negotiations went down I would be shocked to see Ed signed to an extension this summer.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Could be hronek 2.0 you just never know. With dman they have to prove and show I'm guessing it be a bridge and than the big contract. See how other names start signing as d man and how similar it will be and what not.

Edvinsson and Hronek are nothing alike, nor is their situation.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Edvinsson and Hronek are nothing alike, nor is their situation.

Very strange comp

 

[RedHawkDown]

Could be hronek 2.0 you just never know. With dman they have to prove and show I'm guessing it be a bridge and than the big contract. See how other names start signing as d man and how similar it will be and what not.

Hronek was exactly what he was the entire time in Detroit; we had no delusions about him. It's only in Vancouver that he took his play to another level for one season and everyone started telling us we f***ed up. Wings fans were very happy with the Hronek for a mid-1st trade at the time it was made.

Ed has been much, much better than Hronek since the day he entered the NHL and nothing in their past performances indicates it will be any different moving forward. He's on a Seider trajectory, and possibly better.

I would lock him up at 8.25 - between Raymond and Seider - x 8.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Don't be surprised if Edvinsson settles for a contract around the Raymond one.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

At the end of the day it's hard to predict because it's way different if he negotiates this year versus if he waits until next year.

There could be a $2M/year difference there, honestly.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I saw "Value of: Simon Edvinsson..." and prepared for a shitshow. Glad to see a more reasonable proposition.

I am guessing he will sign a bridge deal, 2 or 3 years, at current 2nd pair/#3D money.

Seider and ASP could be both on the same Powerplay tbh. That’s what I would do.

If we sign him this year there’s no way he makes over what Seider makes. It’s just not going to happen, the team has set that precedent with Larkin and it’s now set with Seider too. The guys aren’t going to want to push for more than their friends/leaders of the team. I bet he gets 7.5-8 x 8 this off season.

Just IMO, but he has the ability to sign 2 years after Seider signed his deal and the cap will likely be up like 15% in that range. I don't think that new deals will be limited by much earlier contracts.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Just IMO, but he has the ability to sign 2 years after Seider signed his deal and the cap will likely be up like 15% in that range. I don't think that new deals will be limited by much earlier contracts.

It’s archaic thinking to place an internal cap based on AVV and not % of cap. Gonna cost some dinosaur GMs if they think that way.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yeah, but you could make that case for guys like Seider/Faber/Sanderson too.

I think a lot of these guys don't wanna pass on $60M and risk getting hurt.

Nobody wants to be Klingberg.

All of those guys are before much more concrete news that the cap is exploding, goal posts have shifted significantly

 

[Oddbob]

I still think he needs to come in under Seider cap going up or not. He to date has not logged the ice time of Seider, so getting the same money seems off to me, again even with cap going up.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

All of those guys are before much more concrete news that the cap is exploding, goal posts have shifted significantly

Revenue has been about a billion ahead of where the cap was set for awhile now.

This is surprising to nobody.

 

[Henkka]

Edvinsson will probably he the Red Wings best bargain deal for many years, because ASP and Seider will eat those power-play points. Defencemen salaries are not going skyhigh, when you are great defensively, which is kind of crazy. But that's how it is.

6-7M will probably be it, with shorter term than 7-8 years.

 

[19 for president]

I'll be curious to see if Yzerman does a short or long term extension with him. If we go long I think he comes in just under Seider, which still accounts for the cap increase because he does not yet have the resume Seider did when he resigned. I could see Ed pushing for a shorter term contract as he definitely has PP ability and he may want to showcase that prior to resigning. (This could bite him though if ASP becomes the main PP guy shortly and he doesn't dethrone Sieder or the Wings don't opt to use a 2 dman pair PP)

He won't get PP time until he gets his next deal whether that is short or long term deal, so it'll be very hard for him to get much over 30pts (40 max, which is great production without PP time for the record). He will also likely remain the 2nd pair anchor as the Wings D is not strong enough to put Ed/Seider together consistently. Seider had a Calder, top pairing minutes (hardest in the league), and 3 (40+) point seasons.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Where is everyone penciling ASP in on the PP?