Value of: Silfverberg and Fowler offers here please. Curious what Ducks can fetch.

[BB88]

Wouldn’t you look at his playoff performances more than the games this season?

Sure they can play a part in his value, but if I'm looking at adding for this years playoffs I'm looking at the player he is today/this season the most.

I would be willing to pay up more for Silf than Boyle, 2nd+ solid/good prospect, but not 1st+ solid/good prospect, Silf isn't a game changer.

 

[neelynugs]

That Is overpayment for a guy that has 13 goals and a UFA

i think it's a pretty fair deal. can't just look at stats. guy is a very good player on a team that sucks this year.
also plays both ends and can fit on any line.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Boyle plays a different role though. There are A LOT of good rental wingers expected to be available this deadline only a certain number of teams that are actually willing to move 1sts or good prospects. Plus teams that would rather spend 1sts on centers or D.

Which I agree and why I said 2nd + prospect... the value always depends on the market. But silf impacts a game much more than BB.... even from the winger position. But I agree we wont get a 1st unless someone gets desperate late after some of the bigger chips are moved.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Sure they can play a part in his value, but if I'm looking at adding for this years playoffs I'm looking at the player he is today/this season the most.

I would be willing to pay up more for Silf than Boyle, 2nd+ solid/good prospect, but not 1st+ solid/good prospect, Silf isn't a game changer.

Well if you watch him, hes basically been a 1 man army for the ducks.... the team as a whole sucks, but silf has been 1 of the few bright spots(silf/kase/Ritchie and Gibson). Like I said this is a team that has put up 10 goals in their last 9 games.... no one is putting up #'s on this team.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

i think it's a pretty fair deal. can't just look at stats. guy is a very good player on a team that sucks this year.
also plays both ends and can fit on any line.

People get so ridiculous on the trade boards lol.... 13 goals on the ducks might as well be 20+ on an average team. Hes played well but doesn't have much support around him. I do think hes a great add for boston, and I think the trade was pretty fair/close. He is a playoff monster + he can play on left or right wing, he can be used on a shutdown line or top 6 roll.

Silf is the 1 player on Anaheim I can say a team wont be disappointed in getting, even when hes not scoring hes doing a lot of the small things that help win games... board battles/forecheck penalty kill etc hes all over it.

 

[Reddwit]

I think we know that CapFriendly has it wrong and it's actually a four team no-trade. It was confirmed by Dreger not too long ago.

Fowler can list 4 teams to NOT be traded to. That should effect his value much.

Ok, thanks. That makes a lot more sense.

 

[Meeqs]

Silf = 1st from a contender, 2nd + prospect (any team in the pacific prob has some sort of condition based on how far they go+ he resigns)

Fowler is a little more difficult but I imagine:
1st + forward prospect + younger/cheaper top 4 dmen.

Idk if the aves fans would do this but Fowler for Timmins + Col 1st(top 10 protected)

Avs don't have any need for Fowler and wouldn't be moving that 1st right now for much of anything.

While I don't think the Avs are a good example I agree with your overall evaluations.

 

[Meeqs]

2nd/good prospect for silfverberg. don't see him getting a 1st.

I fit was a normal market I could see a 1st but with how strong this current one is I'd agree with this.

 

[neelynugs]

I fit was a normal market I could see a 1st but with how strong this current one is I'd agree with this.

this one could play out like grabner last year, where they get a ton of 2nd/prospect offers and just choose
the prospect they like best.

 

[Meeqs]

this one could play out like grabner last year, where they get a ton of 2nd/prospect offers and just choose
the prospect they like best.

Yeah that's really what makes it hard to tell. A lot of players are worth a 1st but due to supply and demand a lot of players will be forced to be had for less. Which players end up where it tough to tell.

With all reports that Ana really wants to keep him I feel like he wont be moved at all, even if they lose him for nothing.

 

[405Exit]

Well if you watch him, hes basically been a 1 man army for the ducks.... the team as a whole sucks, but silf has been 1 of the few bright spots(silf/kase/Ritchie and Gibson). Like I said this is a team that has put up 10 goals in their last 9 games.... no one is putting up #'s on this team.

He’s the Only one on this team who gives a damn. Watch us get blown out by Boston tonight. He’s the only one who’s gonna put effort in.

 

[405Exit]

I fit was a normal market I could see a 1st but with how strong this current one is I'd agree with this.

You don’t understand Silfverberg and the Ducks being in shambles. Dude putting up 13 goals leading goal scorer with a god awful supporting cast around him. Dude is playing very well with what he has around him. We have 9 OVer Times this year. If it wasn’t for Silfverberg? They would all be Ls

 

[Meeqs]

You don’t understand Silfverberg and the Ducks being in shambles. Dude putting up 13 goals leading goal scorer with a god awful supporting cast around him. Dude is playing very well with what he has around him. We have 9 OVer Times this year. If it wasn’t for Silfverberg? They would all be Ls

I'm fully aware how good he is, but there are players on the market that are better and only so many teams move 1sts.

 

[405Exit]

I'm fully aware how good he is, but there are players on the market that are better and only so many teams move 1sts.

I would like to see your evaluations on who’s better and available. Also include there bottom dwelling team where they are coming from. Because Silfverberg should be top of the list to any 16 playoff teams.

 

[405Exit]

Sure they can play a part in his value, but if I'm looking at adding for this years playoffs I'm looking at the player he is today/this season the most.

I would be willing to pay up more for Silf than Boyle, 2nd+ solid/good prospect, but not 1st+ solid/good prospect, Silf isn't a game changer.

Why cant we just trade him for a first straight up? You’re making it more complicated than it needs to be. We have a full cupboard of prospects already. We don’t need anymore to make the deal more enticing.

What ducks should aim for is letting Ducks get your picks and let us draft our own players. And as you all know on HFboards? We do very very well In that department.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

No idea from the Pens but a Fowler-Schultz 2nd pair would be dope.

I've always been a big fan of Fowler. I haven't seen him much this year but assuming he hasn't declined, the way he skates and moves the puck would be such a good fit with the pens.

 

[405Exit]

I've always been a big fan of Fowler. I haven't seen him much this year but assuming he hasn't declined, the way he skates and moves the puck would be such a good fit with the pens.

What would Pens offer for Fowler? Because if I’m Murray? I’m all ears.

We want picks mainly though. Let us draft and develop our own players in the rebuild. We got some very solid ones that are breaking onto our team next season. So any prospects are mostly gonna be a San Diego Gull, and a random call up for awhile.

 

[Spazkat]

Ah, Do you think its something that he wont ever be able to return too, hes still relatively young. 2.5 mil cheaper than fowler, I think the way we are set up he could be put in better situations. Lets say we do the trade fowler for mataa 1st Addison, our defense essentially looks like

Lindholm Manson
Maatta Montour
Larsson/Mahura + Walinski/dotchin/Addison(dotchin can be a diff depth vet signing)

The Lindholm Manson pairing would be doing a lot of the heavy lifting/matchups/mins, Maataa/Montour could essentially get the ozone faceoffs/better matchups, and the bottom pairing should be good enough that they can take a decent chunk of mins (14-18 range Id assume). The trade also adds a piece to a position of weakness for our system RHD(dotchin/walinski/holzer/megna all ufa/rfa), Addison basically becomes our best Right shot, offensively hes putting up mahura like #'s, would be a nice addition to Hunter drew on the right side of our prospect pool. Assuming our pick is top 5/10 and we grab a center, this pick could essentially be used on high risk/high reward style guy like bobby brink/Robertson/Harley. Or possibly a guy like lavoie/York/Brogberg/Soderstrum drop a little and there for us.

Eh.... he's been like that for a long time now. It's been almost 5 years since the cancer thing so he's probably as improved as he's going to get... theres literally no reason to think its going to improve now.

He's also out long term with whats being called a severe shoulder separation - the same one as he's had surgery on previously. This just isn't a horse I'd want to bet on, unless we had enough defensive depth to keep him on the 3rd pairing with his matchups and minute limited.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I've always been a big fan of Fowler. I haven't seen him much this year but assuming he hasn't declined, the way he skates and moves the puck would be such a good fit with the pens.

Injuries, seems like hes lackin confidence, needs a scenery change

 

[BB88]

Well if you watch him, hes basically been a 1 man army for the ducks.... the team as a whole sucks, but silf has been 1 of the few bright spots(silf/kase/Ritchie and Gibson). Like I said this is a team that has put up 10 goals in their last 9 games.... no one is putting up #'s on this team.

I mean I like Silf and would like him with Bergeron, but he's not a game changer at the end of day.

He's not the guy who makes Boston a favourite against Tampa.

Why cant we just trade him for a first straight up? You’re making it more complicated than it needs to be. We have a full cupboard of prospects already. We don’t need anymore to make the deal more enticing.

What ducks should aim for is letting Ducks get your picks and let us draft our own players. And as you all know on HFboards? We do very very well In that department.

There's lot of elite/great/good players available for this season, if I'm spending a 1st I'm calling other teams 1st.

 

[405Exit]

Injuries, seems like hes lackin confidence, needs a scenery change

Do you agree we should aim for picks? I want picks for Fowler. If you’re right about all these prospects making the team next season. Any prospect we acquire is likely gonna be a Gull for awhile.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Do you agree we should aim for picks? I want picks for Fowler. If you’re right about all these prospects making the team next season. Any prospect we acquire is likely gonna be a Gull for awhile.

Depends, id have to see package

 

[trevorftw]

Ducks have Gibson on IR now. Miller hasn’t been healthy this season much either. Back up to that was Chad Johnson also now on IR.

Ducks are starting a fourth string goalie right now with Kevin Boyle making his first ever NHL debut tonight.

Scoring issues up and down the lines, players are old and declining, injury prone, you name it Ducks have it.

Teams in shambles right now. Curious what teams would offer Ducks for rebuild.

Sounds like someone's finally in the Jake Allen market.

 

[405Exit]

Sounds like someone's finally in the Jake Allen market.

Oh Jesus lol!!!

 

[405Exit]

Depends, id have to see package

I read it as today for Ducks versus Bruins. And I’m to lazy to edit my post. My bad