Silayev, Lindstrom, Catton, Iginla, Parekh, Eiserman

[Ozmodiar]

How many is "too many"?

What defines "smaller players"?

Already answered. Here you go:

I'm talking about under 6 feet, not weight.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Tampa wasn't about skill only. look at their defense and supporting cast to Point and Kucherov.

Tampa didn't do shit until they addressed their depth and grit issues. Many fans forget how long it took them to win. It was a combo of their top end players maturing and adding the right pieces around them. Lately, they have depth issues again and their D was horrible last season.

I'm talking about under 6 feet, not weight.

Talking about Height without Weight/Strength is a meaningless conversation

 

[Tyson]

Tampa didn't do shit until they addressed their depth and grit issues. Many fans forget how long it took them to win. It was a combo of their top end players maturing and adding the right pieces around them. Lately, they have depth issues again and their D was horrible last season.



Talking about Height without Weight/Strength is a meaningless conversation

Exactly. Example is Alex Newhook who is 5'11 but has incredible core strength.

 

[ReHabs]

Tampa didn't do shit until they addressed their depth and grit issues. Many fans forget how long it took them to win. It was a combo of their top end players maturing and adding the right pieces around them. Lately, they have depth issues again and their D was horrible last season.

So… we should draft the most skilled, highest upside players and worry about Moar Big in other facets of team building. Agreed.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So… we should draft the most skilled, highest upside players and worry about Moar Big in other facets of team building. Agreed.

If you have a option to draft a skilled/gritty Slaf, you do it. Otherwise, lets focus on targeting the best guys we can get who have the best grades in Skating, Skill, IQ, Grit/Physical strength. I guess that is also a Slaf and Reinbacher type pick

What we can't have is a skilled group that is mostly soft (like the Leafs). Right now, we have two top of the line-up assets with Caufield and Hutson. If we insert more, we are going to become a regular season champion.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Exactly. Example is Alex Newhook who is 5'11 but has incredible core strength.

Usually comes with weight but not in all situations. Newhook is 199 lbs and Drouin is 198 lbs. In most cases, it's about the players willingness to go to the dirty areas and not be afraid. If you have the physical strength and weight, you can sustain a pressured attack and win puck battles. If you are light, you are basically a little fly buzzing around the perimeter and going to get swashed.

 

[Miller Time]

Already answered. Here you go:

Ok, so small is under 6'. Even if he's 210

But how many is too many?

Just want to make sure I understand the argument.

 

[26Mats]

Tampa didn't do shit until they addressed their depth and grit issues. Many fans forget how long it took them to win. It was a combo of their top end players maturing and adding the right pieces around them. Lately, they have depth issues again and their D was horrible last season.



Talking about Height without Weight/Strength is a meaningless conversation

Height is important in today's game even without talking about strength and weight. A big part of a height advantage in today's game is taking away time and space with reach.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Height is important in today's game even without talking about strength and weight. A big part of a height advantage in today's game is taking away time and space with reach.

Stick reach is a factor among many yes. Someone like Slaf is great at it. He causes a lot of turnovers and interceptions.

 

[26Mats]

Would be really interesting if HuGo and the scouts were to choose Parekh:

Guhle - Parekh
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris, Kovacevic

Matheson, Savard, Struble, Barron trade bait. Engstrom the wild card.

 

[Tyson]

Ok, so small is under 6'. Even if he's 210

But how many is too many?

Just want to make sure I understand the argument.

Yeah that 5'11 Crosby kid is too small, will never make it. Same with Nick Suzuki.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Stick reach is a factor among many yes. Someone like Slaf is great at it. He causes a lot of turnovers and interceptions.

yes. One more takeaway than Caufield last season.

(Suzuki led forwards by a wide margin)

 

[Habs Halifax]

yes. One more takeaway than Caufield last season.

(Suzuki led forwards by a wide margin)

If you have to look up the stats to figure that out, you really have not watched the games. Slaf's active stick does cause a lot of turnovers. Sometimes, the turnover happens as a result of his forecheck but he don't get the credit for it.

What are you trying to say? Slaf is no better at it vs Caufield? Is that what you really think?

Anyways, seems to be some cranky posters lately about side conversations that don't apply to the thread. Is this another?

 

[schwang26]

Would be really interesting if HuGo and the scouts were to choose Parekh:

Guhle - Parekh
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris, Kovacevic

Matheson, Savard, Struble, Barron trade bait. Engstrom the wild card.

If they can get a top 6 forward by other means, I’m not against them drafting Parekh. They do lack a consensus number 1 defenceman. At least as of today. Yes, maybe someone steps up, but so far, the jury is still out.

 

[Ozmodiar]

If you have to look up the stats to figure that out, you really have not watched the games. Slaf's active stick does cause a lot of turnovers. Sometimes, the turnover happens as a result of his forecheck but he don't get the credit for it.

What are you trying to say? Slaf is no better at it vs Caufield? Is that what you really think?

Anyways, seems to be some cranky posters lately about side conversations that don't apply to the thread. Is this another?

I just provided a stat. Straight facts.

Now who’s cranky? lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

I just provided a stat. Straight facts.

Now who’s cranky? lol

OK, but what do you think those stats mean? That Slaf's forecheck and active stick is not a strength? That was the conversation you replied too. Caufield and Slaf with similar takeaways so how do you want me to assume that reply?

I personally value the Blocks/Hits/Takeaways/Giveays per 60 but like +/-, you got to take it with a grain of salt. In this case, it doesn't reveal that part of Slaf's game in terms of how effective he is at his forecheck and active stick

Where did the active stick come from? Height and long reach. Funny how things spin

 

[Miller Time]

Yeah that 5'11 Crosby kid is too small, will never make it. Same with Nick Suzuki.

And the Florida Panthers would totally be worse off if they had Adam Fox or Quinn Hughes in the lineup instead of OEL... Need those taller dmen amirite

 

[417]

I’ve got mock draft fatigue

No more!

 

[Habs Halifax]

If they can get a top 6 forward by other means, I’m not against them drafting Parekh. They do lack a consensus number 1 defenceman. At least as of today. Yes, maybe someone steps up, but so far, the jury is still out.

I have a hard time believing there is that many top pairing guys in this draft. First you see Dickinson, then others say it's Levshunov...etc. Personally, I see a lot of top 4D.

When I look at the forwards vs the D, I see a lot of top 6F vs top 4D which equal chances of some turning into top line forwards or top pairing D.

So if we draft Parekh, we think he can be a #1 but if we draft Iggy, he can't be a top line forward? I think lots of fans are falling into this trap with all that D talk.

 

[The Last Red]

I’ve got mock draft fatigue

No more!

Save some energy for next year, when we draft no "worse" than top 8.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah that 5'11 Crosby kid is too small, will never make it. Same with Nick Suzuki.

I think Crosby and Suzuki are two great examples on how lower body strength/weight is the real factor over height.

 

[schwang26]

I have a hard time believing there is that many top pairing guys in this draft. First you see Dickinson, then others say it's Levshunov...etc. Personally, I see a lot of top 4D.

When I look at the forwards vs the D, I see a lot of top 6F vs top 4D which equal chances of some turning into top line forwards or top pairing D.

So if we draft Parekh, we think he can be a #1 but if we draft Iggy, he can't be a top line forward? I think lots of fans are falling into this trap with all that D talk.

Maybe. I admit I’m point watching as I haven’t seen them play. Parekh’s totals are pretty damn good. I think no matter what, half the fans will be disappointed with whoever they pick

 

[HabbyGuy]

The more I think of it, the more I want Sennecke if Demidov and Lindstrom are gone at 5. He fits both the size and skill/IQ camps. I really think he could be special once he gets more comfortable with his size as his skating improves.

Sigh, there's so many players I want in the top 12 of this draft, it's hard to nail down a target.

Wish we had another pick. Walking out with two of Iginla/Sennecke/Catton would set us up pretty.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Maybe. I admit I’m point watching as I haven’t seen them play. Parekh’s totals are pretty damn good. I think no matter what, half the fans will be disappointed with whoever they pick

I have heard E Karlsson talk with Parekh (Ceiling level). Of course he has that offensive ability but so does Hutson. Personally, I look deeper than the points. Catton and Parekh are flashy with their point totals yes. But how does the international numbers look?

With Catton, his age 18 season was basically last year. His U18's don't measure up to Iggy's this past year which was his age 18 season.

With Parekh, where is the U18's sample? Why didn't he play last year? I'm not sure why to be honest. Then I look at how many NHL drafted players were on his CHL roster. 8! That has ripple effects in terms of how someone like Parekh can take advantage.

If I had a pick from 8-13, I'd be all over these two.

 

[Paddy17]

Huh? I thought everyone was an MD here...

Nah, you just need to ask Dr Recchi.