Sidney Crosby surpassing Alexander Ovechkin in career points watch (UPD: Ovechkin ahead by 6)

[Hockey Outsider]

The table above shows Ovechkin and Crosby's career points, on a day by day basis, starting with October 1st, 2005. I've deleted the months of May through September, as no regular season hockey is played then. (I could have tightened up the data range by figuring out the exact start and end date in each season, but I didn't bother).

Total number of days: 2,851 (100.0%)
Total number of days when Ovechkin was in the lead: 2,450 (85.9%)
Total number of days when Crosby was in the lead: 370 (13.0%)
Total number of days tied: 31 (1.1%)
Total number of days within 10 points of each other: 720 (25.3%)

Longest stretch of Ovechkin being in the lead: 1,691 days (from January 8th, 2011 until December 31st, 2018 - streak is active)
Long stretch of Crosby being in the lead: 259 days (from December 13th, 2006 until March 2nd, 2008)

Ovechkin's largest lead in career points: 83 points (667-584 on March 13th & 14th, 2012)
Crosby's largest lead in career points: 33 points (252-219 on November 17th and 18th, 2007; 283-250 on January 12th, 2008; and 285-252 on January 14th, 2008)

Season-end leads for Ovechkin: 12 seasons (every year except 07 - from a low of 4 points after their rookie seasons, to a high of 70 points at the end of both the 2012 and 2013 campaigns)
Season-end leads for Crosby: 1 season (2007 - a 24 point lead)

To be clear, I'm not posting this as any type of argument for Ovechkin. I rank Crosby as the better of the two, despite Ovechkin leading him in scoring five-sixths of the time. But I still think it's interesting to track their progress over the past 13.5 years.

 

[kmart]

Not to be pedantic but if cow A produces more gallons of milk on average than cow B, cow A is more productive. (It's right there in the words: produces/productive).

Now replace average milk production with ppg.

redo ur math. higher ppg =/= higher production

more gallons on average of what ?per game, per moth, per season ?

because after 10 years cow a is behind cow b. it was not more productive !

 

[daver]

redo ur math. higher ppg =/= higher production

more gallons on average of what ?per game, per moth, per season ?

because after 10 years cow a is behind cow b. it was not more productive !

Does the cow produce playoff milk? That changes your answer.

 

[Sam Spade]

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I don't care when Crosby passes Ovechkin, of course it is inevitable. This is some impressive work by the poster.

 

[kmart]

Does the cow produce playoff milk? That changes your answer.

i rate this comment as agreement that ovi was more productive after 12/13 years of hockey in the regular season. if u wish you can create a thread over raw totals.

 

[daver]

Because it's harder to score 50G. 50A guy is not covered the same way as 50G. There is huge talent difference between these two players.

Except we are comparing a 39G, 67A, 106 Points guy to a 50G, 42A, 92 Points guy

There is a significant talent difference.

 

[daver]

i rate this comment as agreement that ovi was more productive after 12/13 years of hockey in the regular season. if u wish you can create a thread over raw totals.

I rate this comment as agreement that Crosby was more productive overall and significantly more productive on a per game basis

 

[Ms Maggie]

redo ur math. higher ppg =/= higher production

more gallons on average of what ?per game, per moth, per season ?

because after 10 years cow a is behind cow b. it was not more productive !

Look at the letters. Points Per GAME. PPG. You want to calculate points per month or season or solstice, have at it.

It's a common notion in metrics: collect/compare data in standard units. When you think about your car's fuel efficiency, you think miles per gallon. Not per day, per trip, per season. A gallon is a constant unit, as is a game.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

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The table above shows Ovechkin and Crosby's career points, on a day by day basis, starting with October 1st, 2005. I've deleted the months of May through September, as no regular season hockey is played then. (I could have tightened up the data range by figuring out the exact start and end date in each season, but I didn't bother).

Total number of days: 2,851 (100.0%)
Total number of days when Ovechkin was in the lead: 2,450 (85.9%)
Total number of days when Crosby was in the lead: 370 (13.0%)
Total number of days tied: 31 (1.1%)
Total number of days within 10 points of each other: 720 (25.3%)

Longest stretch of Ovechkin being in the lead: 1,691 days (from January 8th, 2011 until December 31st, 2018 - streak is active)
Long stretch of Crosby being in the lead: 259 days (from December 13th, 2006 until March 2nd, 2008)

Ovechkin's largest lead in career points: 83 points (667-584 on March 13th & 14th, 2012)
Crosby's largest lead in career points: 33 points (252-219 on November 17th and 18th, 2007; 283-250 on January 12th, 2008; and 285-252 on January 14th, 2008)

Season-end leads for Ovechkin: 12 seasons (every year except 07 - from a low of 4 points after their rookie seasons, to a high of 70 points at the end of both the 2012 and 2013 campaigns)
Season-end leads for Crosby: 1 season (2007 - a 24 point lead)

To be clear, I'm not posting this as any type of argument for Ovechkin. I rank Crosby as the better of the two, despite Ovechkin leading him in scoring five-sixths of the time. But I still think it's interesting to track their progress over the past 13.5 years.

So both times Ovechkin took over the lead it was because of a Crosby injury.

 

[shtorm2005]

Except we are comparing a 39G, 67A, 106 Points guy to a 50G, 42A, 92 Points guy

There is a significant talent difference.

Significant talent difference between Ovy and Crosby? Who's in right mind will say that?

 

[daver]

Significant talent difference between Ovy and Crosby? Who's in right mind will say that?

I assumed it would have been the same poster who thinks there is a "huge" talent difference between 30G 50A and 50G 30A.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Significant talent difference between Ovy and Crosby? Who's in right mind will say that?

5 less points in 141 less games says it all.

 

[Ms Maggie]

View attachment 170571

The table above shows Ovechkin and Crosby's career points, on a day by day basis, starting with October 1st, 2005. I've deleted the months of May through September, as no regular season hockey is played then. (I could have tightened up the data range by figuring out the exact start and end date in each season, but I didn't bother).

Total number of days: 2,851 (100.0%)
Total number of days when Ovechkin was in the lead: 2,450 (85.9%)
Total number of days when Crosby was in the lead: 370 (13.0%)
Total number of days tied: 31 (1.1%)
Total number of days within 10 points of each other: 720 (25.3%)

Longest stretch of Ovechkin being in the lead: 1,691 days (from January 8th, 2011 until December 31st, 2018 - streak is active)
Long stretch of Crosby being in the lead: 259 days (from December 13th, 2006 until March 2nd, 2008)

Ovechkin's largest lead in career points: 83 points (667-584 on March 13th & 14th, 2012)
Crosby's largest lead in career points: 33 points (252-219 on November 17th and 18th, 2007; 283-250 on January 12th, 2008; and 285-252 on January 14th, 2008)

Season-end leads for Ovechkin: 12 seasons (every year except 07 - from a low of 4 points after their rookie seasons, to a high of 70 points at the end of both the 2012 and 2013 campaigns)
Season-end leads for Crosby: 1 season (2007 - a 24 point lead)

To be clear, I'm not posting this as any type of argument for Ovechkin. I rank Crosby as the better of the two, despite Ovechkin leading him in scoring five-sixths of the time. But I still think it's interesting to track their progress over the past 13.5 years.

Interesting. Crosby lost ground those seasons he missed lots of games (10-13) and has been playing catchup ever since. Now on the verge of pulling ahead.

 

[shtorm2005]

5 less points in 141 less games says it all.

You can't use playmakers stat to find how good is a goalscorer.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Why is Crosby’s lack of durability suddenly another feather in his “better” cap?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Also a fine stat is.
Playoffs
Crosby 185 points in 160 games
Ovechkin 117 points in 121 games.

Hmm....

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

You can't use playmakers stat to find how good is a goalscorer.

Ovechkin is a better goal scorer than Crosby. We’ve known that since 2006. But besides that Crosby is a superior player.

 

[shtorm2005]

I assumed it would have been the same poster who thinks there is a "huge" talent difference between 30G 50A and 50G 30A.

There is no significant talent difference between Ovy and Crosby, but there is between 50G and 50A guys. What bothers you in that statement?

 

[shtorm2005]

Ovechkin is a better goal scorer than Crosby. We’ve known that since 2006. But besides that Crosby is a superior player.

Why superior? Because more points? Points don't tell the whole story. Goals are harder to score, 2-way play is not rewarded (Datsyuk).

 

[Revelation]

I checked and we weren’t talking about +/-

No we're talking about a glorified +/-

 

[Semantics]

only on HF is being a goal scorer a secondary citizen when it comes to all time greats......

Such a primitive understanding of how hockey works. You have to do a lot more than finish scoring plays to win games. There's a reason the Caps took 14 years to build a team that could get as far as Crosby did after 3 years, hint: it's because they needed to add forwards who could make plays and defend, things the Pens got for free as part of Crosby's full package.

 

[kmart]

Look at the letters. Points Per GAME. PPG. You want to calculate points per month or season or solstice, have at it.

It's a common notion in metrics: collect/compare data in standard units. When you think about your car's fuel efficiency, you think miles per gallon. Not per day, per trip, per season. A gallon is a constant unit, as is a game.

i know what ppg means, thank you. it still does not equal production in hockey... we have raw totals for that. no analogy can change the reality. its you who callculates their raw totals to a per game basis so crosby can have the higher output... you can do that of course, it has no significant effect in the comparison between them.

 

[redcard]

Does the cow produce playoff milk? That changes your answer.

I've put a lot of thought into this and I don't think I'd like to drink either of Crosby or Ovechkin's milk.

 

[shtorm2005]

Such a primitive understanding of how hockey works. You have to do a lot more than finish scoring plays to win games. There's a reason the Caps took 14 years to build a team that could get as far as Crosby did after 3 years, hint: it's because they needed to add forwards who could make plays and defend, things the Pens got for free as part of Crosby's full package.

Damn, give little bit credits to Malkin. Plz?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Why superior? Because more points? Points don't tell the whole story. Goals are harder to score, 2-way play is not rewarded (Datsyuk).

Datsyuk had a couple relevant years in scoring. 2008 and 2009 and he was still 15+ points behind the best scorers.