Sidney Crosby becomes the 10th player in NHL history to reach 1600 points

[Video Nasty]

Crosby was going to be well north of 100 points each time he was injured including 07-08. Easily 1900+ right now.

Give him 39 points in 2007-2008 to get him to 111.

Give him the pretend extra 66 in 2010-2011 to get to 132.

Give him another 100 fake points to get him to 137 in 2011-2012.

Give him 19 more points to get to 75 in 2012-2013.

That’s being wildly, absurdly generous by giving in to his paced numbers (aka pretend) and giving him an extra 224 points in the 142 games he missed over those four seasons, and he would still be at “just” 1824 points, while missing just 73 games over 19 seasons.

Sorry, there’s nothing about this where he’d be easily 1900+ or pushing 2000 right now.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Give him 39 points in 2007-2008 to get him to 111.

Give him the pretend extra 66 in 2010-2011 to get to 132.

Give him another 100 fake points to get him to 137 in 2011-2012.

Give him 19 more points to get to 75 in 2012-2013.

That’s being wildly, absurdly generous by giving in to his paced numbers (aka pretend) and giving him an extra 224 points in the 142 games he missed over those four seasons, and he would still be at “just” 1824 points, while missing just 73 games over 19 seasons.

Sorry, there’s nothing about this where he’d be easily 1900+ or pushing 2000 right now.

I was assuming he were also counting lock out factors. Like 2013 being 82 gp instead of 48. N its not generous at all. Easily would have seen those numbers

 

[Pancakes]

Give him 39 points in 2007-2008 to get him to 111.

Give him the pretend extra 66 in 2010-2011 to get to 132.

Give him another 100 fake points to get him to 137 in 2011-2012.

Give him 19 more points to get to 75 in 2012-2013.

That’s being wildly, absurdly generous by giving in to his paced numbers (aka pretend) and giving him an extra 224 points in the 142 games he missed over those four seasons, and he would still be at “just” 1824 points, while missing just 73 games over 19 seasons.

Sorry, there’s nothing about this where he’d be easily 1900+ or pushing 2000 right now.

I don't think he'd have been pushing 2000 or perhaps even 1900 right now but he'd be in the 1800's I think for sure and he'd therefore have a shot at 2000+ assuming he would have played long enough to get there and assuming his play doesn't fall off drastically in the next 2-3 years.

Injuries almost certainly cost him at least one more art ross/richard as well as he almost certainly would have won both trophies in 2010-11.

He probably also wins an Art Ross in 2012-13 if he doesn't get hurt that year. He finished only 4 points back of MSL despite missing 12 games.

But these are all what ifs. We could also say in 2009 if Ovechkin didn't miss 12 games he almost certainly passes Sedin and Crosby for another art ross himself.

Sid's actual resume is absurdly good as we all know. We don't need to think about what could have been. What has been has been more than any Pens fan or NHL fan could have ever asked for. He's lived up to the billing and then some.

 

[Beesfan]

He was the most hyped prospect since Lindros. The hopes were for him to be hands down the best player in the league for a long stretch. He was regarded as the best , but like a poster said previously he unfortunately got slowed down by injuries in the period where it looked like he was about to dominate the league. Satisfying career of course, but he did not exceed expectations.

Crosby was the most hyped prospect since Lindros....and he has been the best player since Lindros. So I would say he met expectations.

I think the general consensus will have Crosby in the top 5 players of all time when he hangs them up.

 

[KCC]

still a ppg player at his age with no signs of slowing down. And you know he’s going to keep going until his body says no. So who knows whenever the hell that will be. Lol.

 

[Toby91ca]

Give him 39 points in 2007-2008 to get him to 111.

Give him the pretend extra 66 in 2010-2011 to get to 132.

Give him another 100 fake points to get him to 137 in 2011-2012.

Give him 19 more points to get to 75 in 2012-2013.

That’s being wildly, absurdly generous by giving in to his paced numbers (aka pretend) and giving him an extra 224 points in the 142 games he missed over those four seasons, and he would still be at “just” 1824 points, while missing just 73 games over 19 seasons.

Sorry, there’s nothing about this where he’d be easily 1900+ or pushing 2000 right now.

If you fill in missed games to get to 82 each season based on his ppg during each season, he'd be at 2,009pts right now, but that's an absurd analysis to do. No one plays 82 games a year every year for 20 years, so that is an unrealistic data point to start with.....then you never know whether the same pace could have been kept over those missed games.

I agree he could be a lot higher on the all-time scoring list right now and have a really good chance at finishing #2 overall had he not been hurt, but not suggesting he'd be close to 2,000 pts now....just would have a good chance to get there before he retired....at this point, I'd suggest it is beyond a longshot, almost impossible to imagine really.

 

[Mulletman]

Crosby is 87th in games played out of 7696 players who's played in the NHL. And he's still adding games to his resume. It's time to stop complaining. We can't keep compairing him to injured star players lke Bure, Forsberg, Lindros and Orr. It's time to compair him to guys who actually played the games like Gretzky, Jagr, Sakic, Ovechkin, Yzerman and so on...

 

[TooManyHumans]

The misdiagnosed neck injury is the one that really stick in the craw. That robbed him of a ton of time in his prime.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

f***ing legend

 

[Phrasing]

Generational

 

[Fataldogg]

Between 2010-11 to 2012-13, he had a point per game of 1.61 with second place being 1.20 (Malkin, his teammate). The distance between him and second place was the same as the distance between second and 50th. The distance between him and his first non-teammate, was the difference between that player and the 85th ranked. I don’t care how many games he played, that is embarrassing the league you played in levels of dominance. That 3 year stretch of a point pace 33% higher than second place is higher than any multi year stretch McDavid has ever had over second place.

He would then lead the league in points by 20% the following year, actually an ever so slightly higher margin than McDavid’s 153 point season.

But point pace generally drops over the course of an 82 game season. That's why I find that misleading. A player could be on pace for 180 points after 20 games, doesn't mean he will actually get there in 82.

Crosby is comfortably a top-10 player of all time. Its been fun seeing this guy all these years.

 

[crowfish]

Between 2010-11 to 2012-13, he had a point per game of 1.61 with second place being 1.20 (Malkin, his teammate). The distance between him and second place was the same as the distance between second and 50th. The distance between him and his first non-teammate, was the difference between that player and the 85th ranked. I don’t care how many games he played, that is embarrassing the league you played in levels of dominance. That 3 year stretch of a point pace 33% higher than second place is higher than any multi year stretch McDavid has ever had over second place.

He would then lead the league in points by 20% the following year, actually an ever so slightly higher margin than McDavid’s 153 point season.

The 3-year stretch PPG is far less valuable than full-year sample sizes. These numbers are as much speculative as they are evidence. Crosby had seasons with drastically different PPGs in one half of the season vs the other. Few examples:

2009-10
1st half 41 GP 48 PTS 1.17 PPG
2nd half 40 GP 61 PTS 1.52 PPG

2006-07
1st half 41 GP 68 PTS 1.65 PPG
2nd half 38 GP 52 PTS 1.36 PPG

2015-16
1st half 41 GP 33 PTS .80 PPG
2nd half 39 GP 52 PTS 1.33 PPG

 

[1specter]

Amazing milestone. Surreal for me going from being a middle school kid and seeing 'Sid the Kid' take the league by storm to now being 30+ and he's in his twilight years nearing 40 but still a fantastic player continuing to set records.

I've grown to really appreciate Sid over the years and how he's just a total consummate professional who stays out of any controversy and is by all accounts just a good down to earth guy who simply loves the game. He's also shown incredible resilience coming back from those concussions and injuries. What a great career and will miss him when he's gone, he was the face of the league for most of the millennial generation that watched the NHL.

 

[FinLurker]

I want to participate too. If Gretzky would have played all possible games with his 215 points in 80 games pace until he is as old as Gordie Howe when he retired, he would have approximately 7500 points.

 

[CupofOil]

Sidney Crosby surpassed the expectations that people had for him when he was drafted.

Incredible career but he was arguably the most hyped prospect of all time so I'd say that he met expectations which is pretty much the highest compliment he can be given.

I think it's fair to say that he's surpassed expectations as a 37 year old still elite player in the league. Don't think anybody saw that coming.

 

[authentic]

Give him 39 points in 2007-2008 to get him to 111.

Give him the pretend extra 66 in 2010-2011 to get to 132.

Give him another 100 fake points to get him to 137 in 2011-2012.

Give him 19 more points to get to 75 in 2012-2013.

That’s being wildly, absurdly generous by giving in to his paced numbers (aka pretend) and giving him an extra 224 points in the 142 games he missed over those four seasons, and he would still be at “just” 1824 points, while missing just 73 games over 19 seasons.

Sorry, there’s nothing about this where he’d be easily 1900+ or pushing 2000 right now.

How generous is it if he spent his prime in the no cheap shot head hunting league that McDavid was lucky to be brought up in?

Incredible career but he was arguably the most hyped prospect of all time so I'd say that he met expectations which is pretty much the highest compliment he can be given.

I think it's fair to say that he's surpassed expectations as a 37 year old still elite player in the league. Don't think anybody saw that coming.

To be honest people expected him to be even better at his peak, which was sadly ruined by injuries. No one expected all those Cups and honestly I knew he was going to age very well. Never thought he would be done scoring 100+ points in his late 20s though.

 

[authentic]

The 3-year stretch PPG is far less valuable than full-year sample sizes. These numbers are as much speculative as they are evidence. Crosby had seasons with drastically different PPGs in one half of the season vs the other. Few examples:

2009-10
1st half 41 GP 48 PTS 1.17 PPG
2nd half 40 GP 61 PTS 1.52 PPG

2006-07
1st half 41 GP 68 PTS 1.65 PPG
2nd half 38 GP 52 PTS 1.36 PPG

2015-16
1st half 41 GP 33 PTS .80 PPG
2nd half 39 GP 52 PTS 1.33 PPG

Look at how much slashing, cross checking from behind and other violence players got away with back then and it was basically impossible that a player like him could remain in peak form for an entire season. Sounds like an excuse but that’s just the reality of it. At his peak he was every bit as good as Jagr and very close to McDavid.

The 3-year stretch PPG is far less valuable than full-year sample sizes. These numbers are as much speculative as they are evidence. Crosby had seasons with drastically different PPGs in one half of the season vs the other. Few examples:

2009-10
1st half 41 GP 48 PTS 1.17 PPG
2nd half 40 GP 61 PTS 1.52 PPG

2006-07
1st half 41 GP 68 PTS 1.65 PPG
2nd half 38 GP 52 PTS 1.36 PPG

2015-16
1st half 41 GP 33 PTS .80 PPG
2nd half 39 GP 52 PTS 1.33 PPG

Actually it gets even better than that, he had 97 points after 56 games in 2006-07 around 1.8 ppg

 

[koyvoo]

 

[authentic]

Love that the assist came from back-checking and breaking up a play.

Sid has to have the most diverse highlight reel of all time.

Backhands, deflections, eyes in the back of his head passes, deking, diving, shot off the goalie’s mask, one handed, big moments, etc etc.

Skates through open ice and splits defenders like McDavid when he was young (okay not quite as good but closer than some might remember), dominated the puck along the boards like a super skilled grinder on steroids, edgework never really seen before especially while in control of the puck and making Gretzky like plays, some of his dekes actually are better than Jagr’s with his hand speed and elusiveness. People forget that when he was young he used to jump over and through players while maintaining control of the puck, none of that stuff was really ever seen before.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Honestly this is what it is. He probably met expectations in terms of his level of play, but the individual resume is somewhat "underwhelming" relative to the hype. I know that sounds insane for a guy who has won every major award twice, but I think that if you told me when he was drafted he would only win 2 Harts and 2 Art ross I would be pretty surprised. Then again, with context he probably has 4 of each if he doesn't miss like 3 years in his prime.

He's definitely exceeded longevity expectations, consistency etc. His resume is even all-time great level and he will still probably be considered the 5th or 6th best player ever when he retires (depends when McDavid passed him), but I think at the time he was drafted most people expected him to win like 5 MVPs and 7 Art rosses when he was drafted that's just how insane the hype was at the time.

Does he really need the awards though when it’s clear just how dominant and amazing of a player he was and still is?

If award counting is all we’re doing here it diminishes his true impact.

 

[authentic]

In the sense that he won 2 Art Ross in 8 season, the Esposito, Howe & Jagr did it 4 years in a row, McDavid 5 in 7, Lafleur 3...

It is hard to dominate the league from 2011 to 2013 (the natural peak 22-25 years old window) playing only 33 games a season

Still makes me wonder what he would’ve done in full seasons back then. I think somewhere between 120-30 is a safe bet he would’ve hit in a few of those seasons, but we will never really know. He may have even had another level he was never able to tap into after all the concussions.

 

[Chainshot]

Amazing career for sure.

 

[lokomotiv15]

Crosby is 87th in games played out of 7696 players who's played in the NHL. And he's still adding games to his resume. It's time to stop complaining. We can't keep compairing him to injured star players lke Bure, Forsberg, Lindros and Orr. It's time to compair him to guys who actually played the games like Gretzky, Jagr, Sakic, Ovechkin, Yzerman and so on...

I think we have been for a while now, and he happens to be better than all of those players except for 1.

Insane that he did make it to 87th all time in games played, and counting, considering where he was at in 2011-13.

 

[MadLuke]

Still makes me wonder what he would’ve done in full seasons back then. I think somewhere between 120-30 is a safe bet he would’ve hit in a few of those seasons, but we will never really know. He may have even had another level he was never able to tap into after all the concussions.

130 in 2011-2013 scoring level is not a safe bet, Malkin 109 was an incredible season, there was only 2 100 points season (him and Sedin) those whole 3 years. We are talking ~68-70% more points than the 10 best players, that better than 1991 Gretzky type of separation, that Hart winning Gretzky in 1989 type of performance.

and there is only 2 full season to reach it, one was 48 games.

One way to look how hard 130 pts was, after the first 82 games he played after the start of the 2011 season (so 2010-2011+2012+frist 19 games of 2013), he only had 131 pts, look at his shooting percentage and on-ice shooting percentage, that really with the puck rolling for him. That a 82 games, perfect not missing a single game constructed season.

It also show that it would have been possible, but we remember also how well when he played it was going, more a perfect case max scenario than a safe bet for that to happen.

 

[Video Nasty]

How generous is it if he spent his prime in the no cheap shot head hunting league that McDavid was lucky to be brought up in?

I’ve never been swayed by the old stand by argument, where Crosby is forever locked in an untouchable era, where he was claimed to be better than everyone who came before because it was “the modern day”, and where no one who comes after can ever be considered greater.

The guy seems like he’s going to end up playing 1500 games. That’s more than Orr and Lemieux post first retirement played combined. When does the poor Crosby act end?