Show me a great coach, and I’ll show you a great goalie..

[centipede2233]

Interesting stat concerning the jack adams trophy,

Of the last 8 seasons, 7 of the 8 jack adams winners had a vezina finalist. 3 of those 7 vezina finalist won it (bob, Ullmark and Holtby). Discuss my fellow hfers!

Correction: I wanted to correct, 1 of the vezina finalist came 5th in voting (fleury during gallant jack adams). So 6 of the last 8 jack adams had a vezina finalist with one of the 2 being a 5th place in vezina voting

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[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Also isn't it weird that the Jack Adams rarely goes to the coach of the best team in the league.

 

[Avsfan1921]

The Adams award is quite the trophy. How many coaches have been fired within a season or two after winning the award lol.

Also, Jared Bednar should have an adams despite goaltending.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm convinced Dean Evason is one of the best head coaches in the league. And he does not have a great goalie, at least not at this stop. I said from the beginning I liked that hire for the Jackets.

Ironically, I think one thing that did him in over in Minnesota was him not completely turning the keys over to Gustavsson and giving Fleury too many games.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Also isn't it weird that the Jack Adams rarely goes to the coach of the best team in the league.

No, not really. The best teams are usually those with lots of elite talent, and teams with lots of elite talent tend to succeed regardless of who the coach is.

Coach of the year, across sports, usually goes to coaches who oversaw a massive turnaround, or who are getting spectacular results out of a collection of unspectacular players. As it should be, IMO.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

No, not really. The best teams are usually those with lots of elite talent, and teams with lots of elite talent tend to succeed regardless of who the coach is.

Coach of the year, across sports, usually goes to coaches who oversaw a massive turnaround, or who are getting spectacular results out of a collection of unspectacular players.

If the massive turnaround is because of the coach, why do they usually get fired the following season after being awarded the Jack Adams?

The same argument can be made that the turnaround from unspectacular teams is attributed to the players just as much as the sustained success of spectacular teams.

 

[Just Linda]

A good system makes a good goalie look great.

Isn't it weird that some teams just seem to always make consistent goalies with good positioning look like all-stars?

 

[centipede2233]

The Adams award is quite the trophy. How many coaches have been fired within a season or two after winning the award lol.

Also, Jared Bednar should have an adams despite goaltending.

Yeah it’s really bizarre, but when you look at my stat linking jack adams winners to vezina finalists, it’s not that shocking since goalies are very volatile, great one year, crappy the next. Which would make sense why you see a lot of jack adams winners fired shortly after because their vezina finalist/winner fell off a cliff.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Tocchet and Bowness(retired) and Brunnette not even top 10 in odds. Every year you are good then bad?

This is not a serious award.

 

[centipede2233]

A good system makes a good goalie look great.

Isn't it weird that some teams just seem to always make consistent goalies with good positioning look like all-stars?

You are right. If you don’t have a good defensive system played by good defensive players, it won’t matter who your goalie is today. Steve Valiquette who is a goalie analytics darling, says every goalie, no matter who it is, will let in on average 1 in 3 high danger chances.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

If the massive turnaround is because of the coach, why do they usually get fired the following season?

Is this a statistic about Jack Adams winners you’re referring to?

The same argument can be made that the turnaround from unspectacular teams is attributed to the players just as much as the sustained success of spectacular teams.

Ok? Is that the argument you’re making?

IMO teams with excellent records but only middling talent tend to achieve their success via some combination of

1. strong systems and player buy-in

and/or

2. outstanding goalie play