Should we upgrade at this deadline and where?

[SirKillalot]

Reilly Smith perhaps for something not overpay.
Could be a guy to convince re-signing for a couple of years as well.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Reilly Smith perhaps for something not overpay.
Could be a guy to convince re-signing for a couple of years as well.

only reason would be if they plan on moving kasper to C cause no top 6 spots available atm

 

[odin1981]

I mean they should have made moves last year... Standing pat now is just the team MO.

And, I don't think they make a move in the summer either, or if they do, it's almost for sure going to be the wrong signing based off how they've operated in past summers. Red Wings management actual strengths are trades/drafting not signing UFA's on long-term deals. Basically, ever year they've had more "bad" signings vs ones that are good.

Never forget ever, Zadina got a 3-year extension for next to no reason. That's a little insight to the pro-scouting group we have around here.

He got a extension because RFA's who don't kill it can be resigned on the cheap (Zadina) Ala Rasmussen and Veleno currently. They are also found enough to do a cheap bridge deal before UFA and fill a roster spot instead of a Holl like veteran dragging the team down.

Don't get me wrong, I question the pro scouting team in the past 10 years or so the only signings that were decent/good were Alfredsson and Kane. But on the flip side whether or not you want to admit it or not the fact could be easy to understand, until the wings are further along in the rebuild this team is just not in the running for actual talent in UFA.

The reason is with still a bit to get into the playoffs the only people interested in coming to the team are cast aways just trying to get one more contract in the league before their NHL playing careers are over.

 

[ShanahanMan]

I would have said buy if we won those two games, potentially even one. But we have probably one of the hardest schedules remaining and I just don’t see us maintaining where we are. Probably best to just sell.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I would have said buy if we won those two games, potentially even one. But we have probably one of the hardest schedules remaining and I just don’t see us maintaining where we are. Probably best to just sell.

Yeah f*ck that lol I said for the longest time to tank and get 1 last attempt at a top prospect at the draft but at tuna stage we'd end up at pick 15 again in a non deep year

At this point I'm all in... not to the point of trading a 1st for a rental but call up a Danielson etc if need be


Make a trade for a guy on term ... islanders are stocked with a bunch of old players send them veleno and a 3rd for pageau who can help the penalty kill

If a carlo etc... can't be held get soucy dirt cheap and put him on the 3rd pair with gus on the right side

No point calling it quits at this stage of the game

 

[ShanahanMan]

Yeah f*ck that lol I said for the longest time to tank and get 1 last attempt at a top prospect at the draft but at tuna stage we'd end up at pick 15 again in a non deep year

At this point I'm all in... not to the point of trading a 1st for a rental but call up a Danielson etc if need be


Make a trade for a guy on term ... islanders are stocked with a bunch of old players send them veleno and a 3rd for pageau who can help the penalty kill

If a carlo etc... can't be held get soucy dirt cheap and put him on the 3rd pair with gus on the right side

No point calling it quits at this stage of the game

So then if we buy and lose our 1st round pick and STILL miss the playoffs…..what then?

 

[ColdToiletSeats]

So then if we buy and lose our 1st round pick and STILL miss the playoffs…..what then?

We'll have ASP next season he's like 3 first rounders

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

So then if we buy and lose our 1st round pick and STILL miss the playoffs…..what then?

I said I wouldn't part with our 1st round pick for a rental. I'd only use it for a cozens/Pettersson/miller etc...

Someone who'd be a part of the future longterm with the next crop of wings kids coming

 

[odin1981]

I wouldn't want Miller with quite a few kids on the roster. He has been on 5+ teams past 8 years the problem is he is a net negative if you don't have a vet that can keep him in check on being a dick to people learning how to be pro's.

 

[Snuggs]

He got a extension because RFA's who don't kill it can be resigned on the cheap (Zadina) Ala Rasmussen and Veleno currently. They are also found enough to do a cheap bridge deal before UFA and fill a roster spot instead of a Holl like veteran dragging the team down.

Don't get me wrong, I question the pro scouting team in the past 10 years or so the only signings that were decent/good were Alfredsson and Kane. But on the flip side whether or not you want to admit it or not the fact could be easy to understand, until the wings are further along in the rebuild this team is just not in the running for actual talent in UFA.

The reason is with still a bit to get into the playoffs the only people interested in coming to the team are cast aways just trying to get one more contract in the league before their NHL playing careers are over.

I don't believe this for a second. It's the team targeting the wrong players Compher over Strome is an example and if you give Strome the money Compher got I'm sure he signs here. Now I'm not saying I know how to do better, it's not even my job as a fan, but I can point out what, imo(rightorwrong), they're doing wrong pretty consistently.

Roy could have gotten a long-term offer but they gave short-term deals to Tarasenko/Gus. I don't mind the short-term deals right now, only because they're actually signing all the wrong players pretty consistently, when giving out term, but it's not a good thing outside of that.

I'll never know who spoke to the Wings and who they never even bothered with, but imo based on guys going to places like Columbus, etc, Red Wings aren't trying that hard for certain players based off "some reason". They farted in everyone's face the first day of UFA this year.

DO NOT sign a bottom pair defensemen this offseason. (though for sure they're bringing in at least two) It's just not needed, and money wasted but we'll for sure do it vs spend to find the right top unit partner for Seider, and it'll get rationalized somehow because they got to pay Edvinsson, etc.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I wouldn't want Miller with quite a few kids on the roster. He has been on 5+ teams past 8 years the problem is he is a net negative if you don't have a vet that can keep him in check on being a dick to people learning how to be pro's.

Talking about k'andre miller ... doubt nyr would actually pull the trigger and move him

 

[odin1981]

I don't believe this for a second. It's the team targeting the wrong players Compher over Strome is an example and if you give Strome the money Compher got I'm sure he signs here.

Roy could have gotten a long-term offer but they gave short-term deals to Tarasenko/Gus. I don't mind the short-term deals right now, only because they're actually signing all the wrong players pretty consistently, when giving out term, but it's not a good thing outside of that.

If you are a non elite player (most of the NHL) that is 28+ generally speaking you have 3-5 years tops before age regression ends your career. Why would you go to a team that might make the playoffs? If a championship is your goal? Unless they overpay and screw up the cap balance if maximize'ing money is your priority?

Then throw in that Detroit is not a good town to live in. Yes there are nice areas but like 2/3's of the teams in the league play in better cities to live in. And that's being very generous to Detroit saying that 1/3rd are are better to live in than.

If the windows of contention was closer to opening sure we might attract more players on short team deals but be realistic. Detroit is not a preferred destination.

 

[Snuggs]

If you are a non elite player (most of the NHL) that is 28+ generally speaking you have 3-5 years tops before age regression ends your career. Why would you go to a team that might make the playoffs? If a championship is your goal? Unless they overpay and screw up the cap balance if maximize'ing money is your priority?

Then throw in that Detroit is not a good town to live in. Yes there are nice areas but like 2/3's of the teams in the league play in better cities to live in. And that's being very generous to Detroit saying that 1/3rd are are better to live in than.

If the windows of contention was closer to opening sure we might attract more players on short team deals but be realistic. Detroit is not a preferred destination.

Oh... ok, so you don't overpay for good players so you can overpay for a collection of bad players like Chairot/Copp/Compher/Tarasenko/Holl/Husso and because that took up 4-6 players vs 1 it's better money spent because a roster filled? Idk, not buying it. Can get players just as good as some of those names that are even younger.

Not buying it. You overpay for the right talent, if you have to and Red Wings tried but targeted and failed, imo, on certain guys. Husso was a good example of an over-pay that might not have ever needed to happen and not that Nedeljkovic is great but we again, over-paid and let the wrong goalie go. I might have done the same at the time too, but that doesn't mean it was the right move, it clearly was the wrong one.

Yzerman/management just did it again this year with Gustaffson/Gostisbehere. Over peanuts and 1 year.

You might even be A LITTLE right but the pro-scouting is the bigger problem.

 

[lilidk]

vs carolina

lombardi - larkin - raymond
debrincat - compher - kane
mazur - kasper - berggren
soderblom - rasmussen - shine
veleno - tarasenko

chiarot - seider
edvinsson - johansson
gustafsson - tuomisto
holl

lyon
talbot

Switch Lombardi and Mazur also add Power or Byram

We'll have ASP next season he's like 3 first rounders

If we get top 5 maybe we should think twice before we get rid of our first pick, but it's mid first and we have bunch of good prospects. Detroit needs to have similar trade Debrincat like was

 

[odin1981]

Oh... ok, so you don't overpay for good players so you can overpay for a collection of bad players like Chairot/Copp/Compher/Tarasenko/Holl/Husso and because that took up 4-6 players vs 1 it's better money spent because a roster filled? Idk, not buying it. Can get players just as good as some of those names that are even younger.

Not buying it. You overpay for the right talent, if you have to and Red Wings tried but targeted and failed, imo, on certain guys.

Chia, Copp, and Compher came here when we were tanking and for the time that we got them where each paid above market value at the time and term that was about 1-2 year's too long. They were signed to be vet placeholders for the kids to develop.

Husso was overpaid to try to salvage his career and be a backup goalie after he lost his chance at being a reliable starting goalie. Tank is terrible and only signed because he is holding on to a deal playing his farewell tour before he retires. Holl do I even need to go there? Again another vet holding on for dear life seeking out a last contract before retirement.

Thank you for proving my point on all your supposed examples you have given me reinforcing my point that Detroit is not a preferred UFA destination unless you overpay or no one else wants them and they still want one last professional contract.

 

[saska sault]

Karlsson is still an elite playmaker... look at him set up Knies with 6 seconds to go ....

 

[Snuggs]

Chia, Copp, and Compher came here when we were tanking and for the time that we got them where each paid above market value at the time and term that was about 1-2 year's too long. They were signed to be vet placeholders for the kids to develop.

Husso was overpaid to try to salvage his career and be a backup goalie. Tank is terrible and only signed because he is holding on to a deal playing his farewell tour before he retires. Holl do I even need to go there? Again another vet holding on for dear life seeking out a last contract before retirement.

Thank you for proving my point on all your supposed examples you have given me reinforcing my point that Detroit is not a preferred UFA destination unless you overpay or no one else wants them and they still want one last professional contract.

LMAO, ok. Thumbs up.

My point over-shot your head space but it's fine.

 

[odin1981]

LMAO, ok. Thumbs up.

Might point over-shot your head space but it's fine.

So who is the supposed big catch that we have signed from UFA that other teams actually want?

Kane signed here because the hip surgery had never been successful in rehabbing and even Chicago didn't want to risk a signing on him, you know the team he won the cups with and who drafted him.

We are not a FA destination. In 2-3 year's could that change? Yes, but right now? The answer is emphatically a No.

 

[Snuggs]

So who is the supposed big catch that we have signed from UFA that other teams actually want?

Kane signed here because the hip surgery had never been successful in rehabbing and even Chicago didn't want to risk a signing on him, you know the team he won the cups with and who drafted him.

We are not a FA destination. In 2-3 year's could that change? Yes, but right now? The answer is emphatically a No.

Shhhhhh! You got it man. It's ok.

 

[RedHawkDown]

It's not too early, it's the reality of the situation. Too many road games, and too many tough teams left.

I like to think I’m a realist but even I think this line of thinking is crazy. They’re literally in a playoff spot and you’re saying the playoff hopes are gone and that’s “reality”. It’s actually the exact opposite of reality. In reality we are currently in the playoffs lol

 

[Snuggs]

BlueJackets/RedWings/Senators/Bruins/Canadians/Rangers/Flyers

This seems to be the clear-cut group for the wildcard spots right now. Wings got a 'shot' still among that group imo. A really good opportunity to separate the team from the rest of the pack just slipped away though which is disappointing to watch.

Wheels aren't off the wagon... yet.

 

[datsyukfan]

I like to think I’m a realist but even I think this line of thinking is crazy. They’re literally in a playoff spot and you’re saying the playoff hopes are gone and that’s “reality”. It’s actually the exact opposite of reality. In reality we are currently in the playoffs lol

Ya + we are better on the road then at home this year

 

[Spitfire11]

I think Byram would be an excellent piece to add, don’t see what the Wings have to entice Buffalo to trade him though.

Is Ristolainen worth taking a chance on? He’d at the very least get Holl out of the lineup.

 

[AtlantaHotWings]

BlueJackets/RedWings/Senators/Bruins/Canadians/Rangers/Flyers

This seems to be the clear-cut group for the wildcard spots right now. Wings got a 'shot' still among that group imo. A really good opportunity to separate the team from the rest of the pack just slipped away though which is disappointing to watch.

Wheels aren't off the wagon... yet.

Aren't off the wagon but they are wobbling and we don't want them to get loose so need to get a point out of Tues game. I think we will creep in on some sort of tiebreaker but it does depend on what happens before March 7 @ 3 pm

 

[ShanahanMan]

I think Byram would be an excellent piece to add, don’t see what the Wings have to entice Buffalo to trade him though.

Is Ristolainen worth taking a chance on? He’d at the very least get Holl out of the lineup.

He would instantly become our 3rd best defenseman. It would take a 1st to acquire him.