Rumor: Should the CBJ pursue Elias Pettersson?

[cbjthrowaway]

You know we're not going to have that conversation with him, right? No one is asking Boone anything.

that wasn't the question, though.

the question was who i would be willing to include. i'd be willing to include jenner to get pettersson, absolutely.

if vancouver says "we'll take sillinger, severson, jenner, minnesota's first and a prospect" i'd have the conversation with jenner if they're on his list (which he may not have submitted yet anyway). and if that deal goes through, it's pretty clear that you give the C to werenski.

Depends on the price. I am not sure GMDW should be willing to give up key pieces for a guy with communication skills on par with mine or a guy getting called out for lack of effort. I think this team can grow into something in the next season or 2, so I wouldn't rock the boat to much for guys like Miller or Patterson.

don waddell nearly pulled off a trade for pettersson in carolina last year before pettersson signed the extension in vancouver. he's clearly really high on the player as a franchise centerpiece.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

This answers my questions about Pettersson and what we want in this locker room. Additionally, Miller may be too intense but if we get to a point where we can go deep into the playoffs, I think that could be the type that drives in that scenario. We aren't there yet but I'm also not sure that Pettersson is the kind of guy who could disappear in the playoffs. Miller was more productive last season. I think neither are a good fit right now.

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The team's general manager, Patrik Allvin, was similarly blunt during his recent interview with Sportsnet. The always candid Allvin was asked directly if trading Pettersson was a possibility, to which Allvin very pointedly answers in an ambiguous way.

"Petey has shown up to this point that he is an extremely talented, quality player that could and should be a No. 1 centre," he said. "But he needs to mature and understand that there are certain expectations and it does not get easier. And you need to face the music when things don't go well. Is it (a trade) possible? I guess I would say anything is possible."

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To be perfectly clear: losing either player comes with multiple question marks and adds an obvious hole to the Vancouver lineup. But for a team that fancies themselves a Stanley Cup contender, keeping Miller has to be the priority for four reasons.

The first reason why is he's the more productive scorer head to head. Over the last three seasons, Miller has posted campaigns of 99, 82, and 100 points. Pettersson has been very productive in his own right, but less so compared to Miller, putting up 68, 102, and 89 points in that span.

The second is his compete level. Miller has been called a bit too intense at times, but he's built a well-earned reputation for being a fiery competitor. Pettersson, whether it's fair or not, has been given the label of being more relaxed all-around. It isn't a bad thing inherently, but when you need someone to step up come playoff time, the Canucks will turn to Miller and his passion. That compete level can be a rallying force for the team, especially in times of adversity. Pettersson is naturally a more quiet and reserved player who goes about his business on the ice with purpose, but it might not be the best fit for the Stanley Cup hopefuls.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Miller. Why? Just off of a "mental health leave" should be a no go sign.

Petterson. Why? Production down since big contract signed. Injured? Character issues? Who cares.

There will be other fish in the sea without the warts of these two. As SteelCityCannon just mentioned the "big swing" resources should be on a defender at this point. I'm certainly not opposed to spending big on an offensive star, but whoever that might be can't have the big question marks of a Petterson or Miller.

Note: The CBJ have 3 or 4 forwards scoring at a higher rate this season than Petterson.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Petterson. Why? Production down since big contract signed. Injured? Character issues? Who cares.

There will be other fish in the sea without the warts of these two.

there are other fish (superstars) who don't have contract/injury/character issues.

those fish are not in the sea (available via trade)

miller doesn't fit due to age, but pettersson is absolutely a fish they should do their best to reel in.

vegas swung big on jack eichel and won a cup. florida swung big on matthew tkachuk and won a cup. the narrative around eichel then was the same as the narrative around pettersson now.

the vibes are great now, but this is a historically-weak eastern conference where the playoff cutoff line might be something like 85 points. having a 1-2 punch of pettersson-monahan (and longer-term, pettersson-fantilli) is the type of roster backbone you only see on consistent 100+ point teams.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I guess this is where my hang-up is. I don't see a defender in their mid 20's that we could realistically land without dipping into our untouchables significantly. (Maybe Adam Fox?) The D market is so spilt between the young mega stars (Makar, Hughes, Dahlin) and older untouchables (our versions of Werenski) and also rans.

Yeah, that's a good point. Gonna be tough for sure.

 

[squashmaple]

there are other fish (superstars) who don't have contract/injury/character issues.

those fish are not in the sea (available via trade)

miller doesn't fit due to age, but pettersson is absolutely a fish they should do their best to reel in.

vegas swung big on jack eichel and won a cup. florida swung big on matthew tkachuk and won a cup. the narrative around eichel then was the same as the narrative around pettersson now.

the vibes are great now, but this is a historically-weak eastern conference where the playoff cutoff line might be something like 85 points. having a 1-2 punch of pettersson-monahan (and longer-term, pettersson-fantilli) is the type of roster backbone you only see on consistent 100+ point teams.

Bingo to the bolded. As I was reading your posts as well as the substack, the taking a swing like the Tkachuk trade was what I was thinking about more than the Eichel one. I just don't think we're close enough to being Florida, nor do we have a Panthers-version-of-Huberdeau to dangle.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

there are other fish (superstars) who don't have contract/injury/character issues.

those fish are not in the sea (available via trade)

miller doesn't fit due to age, but pettersson is absolutely a fish they should do their best to reel in.

vegas swung big on jack eichel and won a cup. florida swung big on matthew tkachuk and won a cup. the narrative around eichel then was the same as the narrative around pettersson now.

the vibes are great now, but this is a historically-weak eastern conference where the playoff cutoff line might be something like 85 points. having a 1-2 punch of pettersson-monahan (and longer-term, pettersson-fantilli) is the type of roster backbone you only see on consistent 100+ point teams.

The CBJ appear to be on a profound upswing. Petterson appears to be on a downward trend. There's a good chance that he's peaked. I would be extremely concerned about the trend which he is on post contract signing.

There will be other fish in the sea. There always are. The CBJ are not in a win right now mode so there's a window for fishing.

When his own GM publicly talks about the maturity level of a guy who he just signed to a big contract I'll take that very seriously. Waddell was a magician in ridding the team of its big money headcase. I'd be shocked if he takes on someone else's.

There's a certain amount of unavoidable risk in taking on any big money contract. It all comes down to a risk/reward analysis. Mine says no on EP and it's not even close.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Bingo to the bolded. As I was reading your posts as well as the substack, the taking a swing like the Tkachuk trade was what I was thinking about more than the Eichel one. I just don't think we're close enough to being Florida, nor do we have a Panthers-version-of-Huberdeau to dangle.

i'm gonna say something unpopular on this part: our version of panthers-huberdeau right now in the context of this trade (despite being a wildly different type of player) is probably dmitry voronkov.

that doesn't mean he'd have to be in the deal, but if the pettersson trade opens a competitive window, and voronkov's role is "top six power wing + netfront PP1 guy"… well, that's a role boone jenner can do short-medium term. and long-term, that's what cayden lindstrom is built for.

i still think a sillinger + provorov package with a good tertiary piece (chinakhov) and futures would be the best realistic shape to this deal (the dream shape has severson instead of provy) but i'd have a hard time drawing the line at one of jenner/voronkov if it meant getting pettersson and giving up fewer futures.

realistically, which package would be harder to part with?

• A: sillinger, provorov, chinakhov, and two firsts
• B: one of voronkov/jenner + severson, sillinger and the MIN first

i think i'd prefer to do A, but B would be tempting solely because it gets severson off the books + there's some short-term redundancy between voronkov and a healthy jenner (and longer-term with lindstrom)

The CBJ appear to be on a profound upswing. Petterson appears to be on a downward trend. There's a good chance that he's peaked. I would be extremely concerned about the trend which he is on post contract signing.

that upswing, right now, is fighting for a playoff spot in a year where that will take 85 points, then hoping that the young guys all develop and fit together.

adding pettersson gives them the roster structure to be a consistent 100 point team, and young guys that develop around that are either gravy OR can be moved for guys who fit. that's how you build a cup contender.

fortune favors the bold. plus waddell LOVES pettersson, and nearly got him in carolina last year.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

that upswing, right now, is fighting for a playoff spot in a year where that will take 85 points, then hoping that the young guys all develop and fit together.

adding pettersson gives them the roster structure to be a consistent 100 point team, and young guys that develop around that are either gravy OR can be moved for guys who fit. that's how you build a cup contender.

fortune favors the bold. plus waddell LOVES pettersson, and nearly got him in carolina last year.

But not the reckless.

I'm not on speaking terms with Waddell so I can't argue with your point about him. But love is a fickle entity. It can either grow or dissipate. What he might have thought about him last year doesn't necessarily hold true today.

Also, just why do the Canucks want to get rid of this supposed 100 points mainstay? Answer that riddle, please.

 

[cslebn]

This is the best argument for pursuing Petterson. There is definitely a case to be made that Werenski and the first line are ready to contend now and all in their primes at once, and that we should try to contend with them starting now. Like the best way to describe my feelings on it is that I don't want the team to trade for EP but would be excited if they did.


I have thought a lot about Rantanen here. I think he would be a good supplement.

I'm on the Rantanen as a UFA train as well

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Also, just why do the Canucks want to get rid of this supposed 100 points mainstay? Answer that riddle, please.

my long-winded answer to this riddle:

the canucks have two #1 centers right now who cannot coexist.

one (pettersson) is younger and in his prime, and is on a contract without no-trade protection (until next year).

the other (miller) is older and existing his prime, but cheaper. he has a full NMC and can veto any deal.

the answer to your question is that they have to move one of these guys. the situation means either guy will be moved at a loss, but miller right now is the better + cheaper player, and the one with less trade value.

hence pettersson getting moved.

the fan/media speculation around work ethic, etc., whatever, is not a concern to me because

1. the vancouver media is insane (and canadian media, writ large, is extra harsh on euro guys)
2. it makes sense for team PR to plant these seeds to soften potential fan backlash
3. any NHL team is going to the requisite legwork to figure out why the situation is untenable
4. untenable locker room situations seem to follow jt miller around

miller and pettersson being untenable together in the room does not mean that pettersson isn't worth pursuing or that he wouldn't fit into this room, which by all accounts seems to have an extremely healthy dynamic and wants to win. adding a superstar player would be a strong show of faith from the FO and only serve to reinforce the good things they're doing in the room already.

I'm on the Rantanen as a UFA train as well

i'm on the "the best version of this blue jackets roster build is one that adds a superstar forward to open a window now + can stick around for the fantilli prime window as well" – whether that's pettersson, rantanen or marner.

i will also say… boston is a disaster and pastrnak/marchand seem to be feuding. that's another guy to add to the list, and one with a proven playoff record.

 

[MissADD]

don waddell nearly pulled off a trade for pettersson in carolina last year before pettersson signed the extension in vancouver. he's clearly really high on the player as a franchise centerpiece.

True, but that was in Carolina. Different situation now. I don't see him trading away players like Fantilli or Johnson for him. Now if you can do something around Sillinger+ other pieces and futures, then go for it, but I don't see that happening.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Rumor: Post in thread 'Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread'

Today at 10:48 AM

• SeanMoneyHands

Just saw this. Anyone really want this guy?

 

[Misfire Puck]

Rarely post here but love me some trade speculation.

I would be thrilled with either one but it would have to be buy low scenario. Sillinger + Hunt/Svozil + 1st for example which I don't think Canucks would accept or some other team would prolly beat that offer.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Wow, kinda surprised at the high returns people are offering here. I seem to be undervaluing Pettersson.

I'd only offer a combination of the following:

• Future considerations (that's already a $11.6M cap hit...)
• Provorov (UFA)
• Severson (cap dump)
• Ceulemans
• MIN 1st

And that's it. My best offer would probably be Provorov + MIN 1st. And even then I'm second-guessing myself already... Beyond that I'd look for the UFA route in the next 2 years. I'm not sure we should be swinging for the fences just yet, even if the team has played really well this year.

It would be a intriguing addition to the team, so I'd be curious to see how it turns out. But I really don't want to overpay.

Rumor: Post in thread 'Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread'

Today at 10:48 AM

• SeanMoneyHands

Just saw this. Anyone really want this guy?

For the record that was one year ago. Doesn't look that alarming to me but it's definitely a player more in the same mold as one that we wanted shipped out this summer, so I'm not sure we want that again. But personally I think a more quiet, reserved guy would work fine in the current Columbus room, it doesn't seem as gung-ho as what I imagine a JT Miller led room would/could be.

 

[Cowumbus]

i would rather spend an extra 2 million and get Marner TBH

For “free” too