Rumor: Should the CBJ pursue Elias Pettersson?

[CBJWerenski8]

This was talked about in the roster thread but I personally feel this is substantial enough to warrant its own thread.

While nobody (including the insiders) seems to be indicating we’re “after” him, we continue to be linked to him.

So I ask. Should we go after him?

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[Double-Shift Lasse]

Good post on this in the roster thread so I'm bringing it here.

Agree, this is definitely a gamble and there is no way of knowing. However to be fair JT Miller has a serious history as an abrassive team member and has a widely known history of having team conflicts in VAN (Bo Horvat) as well as less specific rumors/stories in NY.

EP40 is a big swing but to me he would probably thrive in a situation like this team who seems to have built a very supportive culture and it less of a microscope than the big market Canadian teams. Furthermore, I think his production drop is due to pushing through and not fully recovering from his knee injury and we likely won't see him back to full capability until next year. But, if we could get him for the right price and he hits he represents the sort of upgrade that could mean cup runs for this team for years. With Ep40-Monahan-Fantilli down the middle.

Its a home run swing and now might not be the time to take it, but We have the potential to do something special with our center corps while still having money to sign a alot of the developing core and overhaul the back end.

 

[Viqsi]

My "too good to be true" senses keep tingling every time this comes up, so, IDK.

Miller, OTOH... absolutely not.

 

[LJ7]

I don't want Miller, who's communication skills were poor enough to cause this feud.

I also don't want Petterson, who's commitment level is poor enough to warrant being called out to this extent.

The Canucks have a good roster on paper, I'm not interested in taking either of the players responsible for preventing that team from being good.

 

[MissADD]

Depends on the price. I am not sure GMDW should be willing to give up key pieces for a guy with communication skills on par with mine or a guy getting called out for lack of effort. I think this team can grow into something in the next season or 2, so I wouldn't rock the boat to much for guys like Miller or Patterson.

Side note: Because this has been cycling for a bit I have seen a lot of armchair GM trade ideas and they are exactly what you think they would be. My "favorite" was Fantilli, Johnson, Z and both 2025 1st for Patterson.

 

[alphafox]

One additional thing that is more of a personal philosophy than a reason for trading specifically for EP (Also, it is definitely EP or bust for me in this situation, no desire for Miller). I am a big believer in teams leaning into their strength. I'm not 100% sure exactly how we ended up as an offensive dynamo but clearly we have a Forward corps that can do damage. Forcing people to contend with multiple levels of problems is critical to roster construction as such the idea of a Top-9 where no one defensive pairing is particularly safe is a cornerstone of how I think the franchise can capitalize on the talent it has even with lots of problems on the back end that need addressed.

We could reasonably look at a forward group next year like the below with plenty of cap space and cash to improve on the back end. That would be a nightmare for teams to deal with even if our goal tender situation doesn't improve at all.

Voronkov-Monahan-Marchenko
Jenner-EP40-KJ
Chinakov-Fantilli-Brindley
Pythiaa-LDBB-Olivier

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Pettersson:
Yes, but it depends on the cost.

Miller:


EDIT: Miller is too old and seems like someone who thinks he is being a great leader but really isn't. Pettersson I think is the better player and would benefit from a change of scenery.

 

[punk_o_holic]

I'm guessing they'll ask for 1 of Johnson or Fantilli and perhaps even more for Petterson. So I would pass. I'll gamble both Johnson and Fantilli will end up being just as good as Patterson.

 

[GoJackets1]

I have no idea what Vancouver would be looking for but if it’s more than Sillinger/Chinakov+Provorov+Brindley/Elick/2nd+1st then I don’t know how interested I’d be. I’m not giving Johnson or Fantilli obviously. I know it’s a classic mistake to overvalue our own prospects over guys like this, but most of our young guys are developing great and I don’t know if I’d be willing to move some of the highest tier guys.

 

[alphafox]

I'm guessing they'll ask for 1 of Johnson or Fantilli and perhaps even more for Petterson. So I would pass. I'll gamble both Johnson and Fantilli will end up being just as good as Patterson.

I have stated before for the deal to make sense it has to be centered around Sillinger+Proverov/Severson+MN 1st. I can see adding something like LDBB or Chinakov if necessary but my list of untouchables is Fantilli, KJ, March, Vronk, Monahan, Werenski, Mateychuk. The only reason to do the EP deal is if its at a relatively distressed price. It won't be cheap but it shouldn't cost a piece of the future core of our team.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

for the “depends on the cost” people, who/what would you have available and what would be off limits?

 

[CBJx614]

What we have is working, I'd rather not rock the boat. We need better depth, not better top end talent imo.

 

[alphafox]

I have no idea what Vancouver would be looking for but if it’s more than Sillinger/Chinakov+Provorov+Brindley/Elick/2nd+1st then I don’t know how interested I’d be. I’m not giving Johnson or Fantilli obviously. I know it’s a classic mistake to overvalue our own prospects over guys like this, but most of our young guys are developing great and I don’t know if I’d be willing to move some of the highest tier guys.

I would be more willing to give Sillinger and Chinakov than Elick or Brindley. Sillinger likely doesn't have a future on this team in my opinion. He will be passed by LDBB and Lindstrom in relatively short order even though he is a very good player in his own right. I think Brindley deserves a chance to reconnect with Fantilli as that pair was special and he should have been a 1st round pick himself. Elick is also our most promising D to fix alot of our issues so he seems like the sort of prospect that could solve a host of problems we currently have if he pans out.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

this is the best piece i've seen written on the matter. the short of it is: they absolutely should pursue him.

i don't think jenner would be in the package due to his NTC. if he was in the package, though, i'd have no issue slapping the C on werenski and having a "right now" core of werenski, pettersson, monahan and marchenko.

will they still have short-term issues with defensive depth + goaltending? yes. does this move need to fix those? no. does it become easier to fix those if you make this move? i'd argue yes, despite the asset cost.

by adding pettersson, they would:

• have one of the best 1-2 punches at center in the league short-term (pettersson-monahan)
  • one of jenner/fantilli will move to EP40's wing, the other can be the 3C
  • can keep 10-23-86 together too, and have two great play-driving lines
• have the best future 1-2 punch in the league long-term
  • pettersson-fantilli, with monahan as a 3C in a few years
  • also gives them more runway with lindstrom to take it slow if he's not in the deal
• be able to fill out the rest of the roster more intentionally with veterans or UFA/trade gems
  • think mason marchment or carter verhaeghe in FLA who have skillsets that align to specific roles
• take advantage of payroll structure
  • KJ + marchenko are on cheap bridge deals, fantilli + mateychuk have multiple ELC years left
  • that opens the door for them to add payroll short-term (cap dumps or UFAs) to build a contender by filling holes

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

for the “depends on the cost” people, who/what would you have available and what would be off limits?

Werenski, Fantilli, Mateychuk, Johnson, Marchenko, Voronkov, Monahan and Lindstrom are off-limits to me.

If they asked for a guy like Marchenko, I'd just compare his and Pettersson's numbers this year.

 

[lakai17]

I'm guessing they'll ask for 1 of Johnson or Fantilli and perhaps even more for Petterson. So I would pass. I'll gamble both Johnson and Fantilli will end up being just as good as Patterson.

Exactly. Columbus have a good thing going right now. Probably not worth it

 

[Cheddarcheese]

i would rather spend an extra 2 million and get Marner TBH

 

[cbjthrowaway]

What we have is working, I'd rather not rock the boat. We need better depth, not better top end talent imo.

the best way to create depth is to push guys down the lineup by acquiring better guys at the top.

or, as another poster put it:

We could reasonably look at a forward group next year like the below with plenty of cap space and cash to improve on the back end. That would be a nightmare for teams to deal with even if our goal tender situation doesn't improve at all.

Voronkov-Monahan-Marchenko
Jenner-EP40-KJ
Chinakov-Fantilli-Brindley
Pythiaa-LDBB-Olivier

i assume chinakhov would be in the deal + hoglander would be coming back, in which case you could end up with something like:

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fantilli - pettersson - johnson​

voronkov - monahan - marchenko​

del bel - jenner - brindley​

hoglander - danforth - olivier​

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that's without accounting for additional trade/UFA options (imo a big-bodied 4C like bjugstad, faksa or sturm would be awesome in that lineup – and they'd easily have the cap to do that + address all their other needs).

when you have the top of the forward lineup set in stone, it makes solving other problems a lot easier.

 

[LJ7]

this is the best piece i've seen written on the matter. the short of it is: they absolutely should pursue him.

i don't think jenner would be in the package due to his NTC. if he was in the package, though, i'd have no issue slapping the C on werenski and having a "right now" core of werenski, pettersson, monahan and marchenko.

will they still have short-term issues with defensive depth + goaltending? yes. does this move need to fix those? no. does it become easier to fix those if you make this move? i'd argue yes, despite the asset cost.

by adding pettersson, they would:

• have one of the best 1-2 punches at center in the league short-term (pettersson-monahan)
  • one of jenner/fantilli will move to EP40's wing, the other can be the 3C
  • can keep 10-23-86 together too, and have two great play-driving lines
• have the best future 1-2 punch in the league long-term
  • pettersson-fantilli, with monahan as a 3C in a few years
  • also gives them more runway with lindstrom to take it slow if he's not in the deal
• be able to fill out the rest of the roster more intentionally with veterans or UFA/trade gems
  • think mason marchment or carter verhaeghe in FLA who have skillsets that align to specific roles
• take advantage of payroll structure
  • KJ + marchenko are on cheap bridge deals, fantilli + mateychuk have multiple ELC years left
  • that opens the door for them to add payroll short-term (cap dumps or UFAs) to build a contender by filling holes

This is the best argument for pursuing Petterson. There is definitely a case to be made that Werenski and the first line are ready to contend now and all in their primes at once, and that we should try to contend with them starting now. Like the best way to describe my feelings on it is that I don't want the team to trade for EP but would be excited if they did.

i would rather spend an extra 2 million and get Marner TBH

I have thought a lot about Rantanen here. I think he would be a good supplement.

 

[EspenK]

for the “depends on the cost” people, who/what would you have available and what would be off limits?

I'd give up Chinakov, Sillinger (they are rumored to like him), Provorov, and some combination of one of our firsts (maybe both) and a prospect (LDBB or Grindley).

 

[KJ Dangler]

I’d give up Lindstrom/ Sillinger and Minnesota first … but honestly we are one of better scoring teams in the league , that’s without some key guys Chinakov and Jenner … I wonder if they won’t pass , and instead focus their assets on improving the defense and goalie position.. Monahan is signed for 5 yrs and Petterson I think 7 .. I can’t see Fantilli staying long term as the #3 center

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

i would rather spend an extra 2 million and get Marner TBH

Who knows if this would even be in the cards, but this would be my preferred path as well.

I'm probably overly cautious, but we've been waiting years (decades?) for youth to pan out and we seem to have a lot of guys that actually are proving (or starting to prove) themselves. Not just theoretically. I'm super nervous about messing that up and shipping even a couple of them out.

EP is certainly a guy who may be worth that gamble. But I don't know how much I feel like gambling.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

for the “depends on the cost” people, who/what would you have available and what would be off limits?

• off-limits young guys:
  • fantilli, marchenko, johnson, mateychuk
• off-limits NTC guys:
  • werenski, monahan
• guy i would fight like hell to not include
  • voronkov
• guy i would fight like hell to include
  • severson
• guys who would absolutely be on the table:
  • sillinger, provorov, chinakhov, brindley, del bel belluz,
• guys i would begrudgingly include if VAN pushed
  • fabbro, jenner (very uncomfortable NTC conversation), elick, lindstrom

if lindstrom was healthy he'd be in the top tier there.

I’d give up Lindstrom/ Sillinger and Minnesota first … but honestly we are one of better scoring teams in the league

worth noting that pettersson is an elite defensive center as well

Monahan is signed for 5 yrs and Petterson I think 7 .. I can’t see Fantilli staying long term as the #3 center

fantilli would either play on pettersson's wing, or eventually leap-frog monahan as the #2 (if sean monahan is your #3 center you are in VERY good shape)

 

[majormajor]

for the “depends on the cost” people, who/what would you have available and what would be off limits?

Severson would have to be included for me, Pettersson's health and motivation issues make his contract too risky to take on without sending big long term money back.

With Severson in it to balance contract risk, I would consider including Fantilli, perhaps with more coming from Vancouver. Or something like the Chinakhov + Sillinger + 1st type packages that people are throwing out there.

I'm not including KJ or Voronkov.

I'm also going to be annoying to some people and throw in Elick.

• jenner (very uncomfortable NTC conversation)

You know we're not going to have that conversation with him, right? No one is asking Boone anything.

 

[squashmaple]

I'm certainly in favor of it, but I just don't see how the teams line up. Columbus's most intriguing pieces are off the table (KJ/Fantilli/Marchenko/Werenski) and they don't have top-shelf established NHL talent available. A Columbus deal for Vancouver is mostly futures, and Vancouver is trying to compete now. Pettersson costs an awful lot of cap space starting next season and he's a mildly distressed asset right now, which is why he's even attainable at all. I just can't see Vancouver moving him for a Sillinger-Provorov/Severson-futures package, even if Columbus also takes a cap dump like Myers off their hands.