Should goals off skates count? Tristan Jarry doesn’t think so.

[WarriorofTime]

Jarry is having a very bad season for a team that’s been struggling. I don’t know if he’s in the best head space at that moment to be proposing rule changes.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

WTH is he going on about? While we're at it, let's also disallow any goals that unintentionally deflect off sticks or any body part. Only clean goals allowed.

And players have to call their shot and scream out the quadrant on the net they were aiming for

I.e high glove, low blocker, 5 hole, etc.

 

[Shark Finn]

I'm sure Jarry will see that Ottawa are stripped of another first.... this "not part of hockey" is an afront to the league... why would Ottawa do this.

 

[Bard Marchand]

Get ice skates outta hockey!

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Don't stop there, only slapshot goals count.

Only slapshots, bar-down.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nonsensical, no idea what he's blabbering about. Pens have scored off skate deflections many times over the years.

Ya agree, it was a dumb comment,
Crosby should tell him, you realize I’ve scored goals like that.

 

[uncleben]

Only slapshots, bar-down.

Honestly, slapshots are pretty gimmicky, imo.
Boom Boom Geoffrion is a hack and we're more likely to see a 7th team in the league before slapshots stick around!



No Michigans, no deking on a breakaway, no deflections!
The only acceptable celebration is to stand there with your arms at your side.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think Jarry probably hadn’t seen a good replay of the goal when he answered that question. Batherson actually was attempting a hockey play, looking to one-time the puck at the back door, but his stick was locked up by a defender. Jarry couldn’t see that because it was behind him, and all the talk was about the puck going off Batherson’s skate, so he seemed to have had the idea that Batherson was just standing there looking for a skate deflection.

In context, I can understand Jarry being annoyed by the idea of a guy setting up on the back post and just letting people shoot pucks off his feet into the net. Even if technically legal, that wouldn’t be a hockey play, and Jarry’s comments are aimed at that scenario. But that’s not quite what happened here.

 

[Bileur]

Only slapshots, bar-down.

Bar is an almost miss, kind of cheap. Should be pure net only.

Also, if the goalie touches it, it should be a dead puck so nothing that deflects off the goalie either.

 

[Phrasing]

I’m sure Jarry voiced this opinion when his team was the beneficiary of a goal off a skate as well.

 

[OysterForever]

I like the "euro rule" where kicking/deflecting the puck to goal if skate doesn't come off the ice is good goal. Kicking motion is always debatable.

 

[Mattb124]

Pretty sure it was Aristotle who said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it and starting a thread about it.”

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Bar is an almost miss, kind of cheap. Should be pure net only.

Also, if the goalie touches it, it should be a dead puck so nothing that deflects off the goalie either.

Jarry approves this message.

 

[NyQuil]

Luke Hughes scored a goal on his own net with his face.

Probably shouldn't be allowed.

 

[CanadienShark]

WTH is he going on about? While we're at it, let's also disallow any goals that unintentionally deflect off sticks or any body part. Only clean goals allowed.

Agreed. If the goalie makes any contact with the puck, then no goal.

 

[These Are The Days]

Someone tell Jarry to shut up. The things you do shouldn't be allowed for a goaltender but here we are

 

[teugen]

I think he is still feeling the Laine wrister to the head couple nights ago.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Deflections count in hockey. It is part of the game. Maybe there is an argument for removing deflections that do not come off the blade of the stick, but that would radically change the game, and probably not for the better.

Throwing the puck in the net or a kicking motion is a different thing. If a player in front of the net aims their body a certain way so the puck deflects off of any part of their body (including their foot) that's part of the game.

 

[SladeWilson23]

I think that any goal that goes in off the skate should count, unless the blade is off the ice by more than 2" or so. The "no kicking " rule was born in a time when they had far inferior protection, but it also causes confusion as to what a kick actually is. I get them discouraging a guy from lifting his foot 2-3' in the air to knock a puck in... improved equipment or not, those blades are sharp, and dangerous.

Imo if the skate blade is fully planted on the ice, and the skate stays out of the crease is the only way I would allow kicking goals.

The distinct kicking rule only applies for pucks off skates in the crease.

 

[account deactivated]

Not only should players be allowed to kick pucks in (while keeping skates on the ice, for safety reasons), but the hand pass should be eliminated (obviously no using hands to put the puck in the net).

Let's get those goal numbers up leaguewide.

 

[Bileur]

Deflections count in hockey. It is part of the game. Maybe there is an argument for removing deflections that do not come off the blade of the stick, but that would radically change the game, and probably not for the better.

Throwing the puck in the net or a kicking motion is a different thing. If a player in front of the net aims their body a certain way so the puck deflects off of any part of their body (including their foot) that's part of the game.

I’m still annoyed Colin White’s header goal didn’t count.

 

[SladeWilson23]

I think Jarry probably hadn’t seen a good replay of the goal when he answered that question. Batherson actually was attempting a hockey play, looking to one-time the puck at the back door, but his stick was locked up by a defender. Jarry couldn’t see that because it was behind him, and all the talk was about the puck going off Batherson’s skate, so he seemed to have had the idea that Batherson was just standing there looking for a skate deflection.

In context, I can understand Jarry being annoyed by the idea of a guy setting up on the back post and just letting people shoot pucks off his feet into the net. Even if technically legal, that wouldn’t be a hockey play, and Jarry’s comments are aimed at that scenario. But that’s not quite what happened here.

In your scenario, couldn't a player just plant his stick blade along the post, and accomplish the same thing?

 

[Golden_Jet]

In your scenario, couldn't a player just plant his stick blade along the post, and accomplish the same thing?

Maybe I don’t understand your post, but did you read this part in the post you quoted.

looking to one-time the puck at the back door, but his stick was locked up by a defender

 

[tarheelhockey]

In your scenario, couldn't a player just plant his stick blade along the post, and accomplish the same thing?

I think the idea would be that he’s using his stick for leverage or to tie up the defender to make himself immovable, and offering his lower body as a target for deflections.

I’m not sure how much this really happens in game scenarios, but it’s a plausible way to score some goals.

 

[SladeWilson23]

Maybe I don’t understand your post, but did you read this part in the post you quoted.

looking to one-time the puck at the back door, but his stick was locked up by a defender

Yes I did. I wasn't talking specifically about the goal yesterday in the Sens Pens game. It was just a hypothetical.