This is honestly shocking. We have never been in agreement like this before lol.
Love for Teemu might come in just above distain for Cronin as HC.
Love for Teemu might come in just above distain for Cronin as HC.
Should Cronin be fired? Yay or Nay?
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Which players is he known for developing into NHL caliber, anyway? Anyone have a list?
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In the AHL I see he was head coach for Alain Nasreddine in 03-04 who is now an assistant coach himself for Dallas.
Also former Florida Panther, Sean Bergenheim, in 04-05. In the AHL.
Jamie Oleksiak in 10-11 in University.
Andrew Agozzino in 18-19 in the AHL.
Logan O'Connor in 18-19, 19-20 in the AHL.
A.J. Greer in 18-19, 19-20 in the AHL.
Keifer Sherwood in 20-21, 21-22 in the AHL.
Alex Galchenyuk when he was down in 22-23 in the AHL.
Goalies include Jonas Johansson and Justus Annunen between 2020-2023 in the AHL.
Don't recognize that many other than these.
EDIT: I see Paul Kariya in 93-94 in University. Only 12 games, and he was an assistant coach. Little interesting.
Also former Florida Panther, Sean Bergenheim, in 04-05. In the AHL.
Jamie Oleksiak in 10-11 in University.
Andrew Agozzino in 18-19 in the AHL.
Logan O'Connor in 18-19, 19-20 in the AHL.
A.J. Greer in 18-19, 19-20 in the AHL.
Keifer Sherwood in 20-21, 21-22 in the AHL.
Alex Galchenyuk when he was down in 22-23 in the AHL.
Goalies include Jonas Johansson and Justus Annunen between 2020-2023 in the AHL.
Don't recognize that many other than these.
EDIT: I see Paul Kariya in 93-94 in University. Only 12 games, and he was an assistant coach. Little interesting.
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He won a Stanley Cup with five Hall of Famers. He then won exactly one playoff series over the next five seasons, most of that with those same Hall of Famers, and missed the playoffs entirely in two seasons. He did not win another division title.
You think that's good? Bruce Boudreau then took over and won four straight division titles.
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I think a cup, 2 division champs and 3 western conference finals appearances is a lot better than 4 straight division titles which ended in 4 straight game 7 losses at home to lower seeds, yes
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When Carlsson was still producing I was still on the fence, but since he appears to have slowed down I'm done with Cronin's system and coaching.
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A 73-0 poll on virtually any sports related topic is just absolutely wild lmao
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We should lock this - the urge to hit the contrarian vote is gonna break someone
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Pretty unimpressive tbh. Thanks for doing that work by the way.
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Thanks, an older head might be able to pick out some more names, I started watching consistently in just 2007-2008. But right? I don't really see many skill guys in there, more guys who like to rough it out. That probably affects his coaching for the skill guys on the Ducks.
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My instinct was to select wait until the season ends. I usually lean towards giving people time. However, the comments from the players matching the eye test is really compelling. It makes me feel like more damage is being done than improvement. So, I chose yes, right now.... I did not expect to see 78 other people agree and 0 people disagree. Shocking and telling
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Damn 78-0 to fire him. Dude not only lost the Ducks room he lost HFBOARDS!!!!
You’re fired!!!
You’re fired!!!
Carlyle's rosters, on the whole, were much better than Boudreau's. Regardless, Carlyle was fine in his first stint. He was awful in his second stint. The players quit on him by the end of his second season.
I made the votes visible. So doubt anyone wants to be that person and vote Nay, lol.
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If he was fine in his first, then he was fine in the second. The regular season points percentage of each period is basically identical (40 bp). If anything, 2nd might be more impressive cuz they had fewer of the HOFers you keep referring to. The team was trash in 2018-2019 and has been since. no coach would've done anything with those teams
He was terrible in Toronto and severely underperformed when he came back here.
We're just going to have to disagree on this.
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As assistant coach or head coach, guys that played for him that had good NHL careers (as a stand-in for “development” for players he coached only in the NHL, I just limited them to being in their first couple seasons for the NHL teams when he coached them).
Scott Pellerin
Bob Corkum
Keith Carney
Paul Kariya (HC)
Brett Clark (HC)
Eric Brewer
Brad Isbister
Raffi Torres
Sean Bergenheim (HC)
Jamie Oleksiak (HC)
Tim Connolly
Jake Gardiner
Leo Komarov
Morgan Rielly
Ryan Strome
Ryan Pulock
Matt Barzal
Adam Pelech
I stopped at around 20-21 because tbh my knowledge of current players isn’t great.
Anyway it’s not nothing but it’s nothing amazing for a guy coming up on 40 years as a coach.
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Thank you for that, my list I focused on his stints outside of the NHL. Yours is more complete so we can see some more guys who were young with him as an assistant too.
Give him until mid-season. If it's still this bad, let him go if someone is available, and wants the job.
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Matt Barzal must be the most comparable to Carlsson/Zegras/Terry and these younger guys? Who compares to Mintyukov and Zellweger and all? Not sure if I'm asking about playstyle or just skill level. Does him coaching the guys on this list translate at all to this team now?
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It’s not like there wasn’t an alternate yes choice either, but we’re so done with everything. Shows how hopeless people believe the franchise is right now
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I think it would be a lot harder of decision if us ducks fans weren’t already aware of the talent we know our players possess. The fact that we have seen all of these players flash brilliance time and time again, I think ultimately gives us the assurance without doubt that they as a group are capable of more and better hockey. And though the majority of us arent experts it’s blatantly evident this coach is not utilizing the known talent the way it should be utilized for best possible results.
I think it would be a lot harder of decision if us ducks fans weren’t already aware of the talent we know our players possess. The fact that we have seen all of these players flash brilliance time and time again, I think ultimately gives us the assurance without doubt that they as a group are capable of more and better hockey. And though the majority of us arent experts it’s blatantly evident this coach is not utilizing the known talent the way it should be utilized for best possible results.
