Should Cronin be fired? Yay or Nay?

Should Cronin be Fired?


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And ?
Many coaches haven't won with stacked teams. Obviously I'm not calling for a Carlyle return but the fact he even gets hate is beyond pathetic and comical. He likes a physical style hockey and players so of course our anti fighting fanbase hates him.
Let’s be honest, RC coached the perfect team for his style to the perfect ending, then slowly deteriorated because he no longer had that perfect team, then was horrible in Toronto, then took a stacked team, had one good run, then lost the room and drove the team off a cliff. He deserves praise for his first few seasons, and deserves to not be idolized for the entire rest of his career.
 

Boo Boo

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oh would I ever love to have classified access to the internals to see how management assesses how whatever they’ve implemented has improved the team.
 

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If there is someone available now that can be the coach moving forward, yes. Fire him just to appease the fan base, no.
They usually have two choices when the team plays like this. Fire the coach, or trade players.

I am not impressed with Verbeek’s ability in getting players to this point. And you can’t get the player back if it turns out the coach was the issue.
 

robbieboy3686

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Many coaches haven't won with stacked teams. Obviously I'm not calling for a Carlyle return but the fact he even gets hate is beyond pathetic and comical. He likes a physical style hockey and players so of course our anti fighting fanbase hates him.
Agree
 

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They usually have two choices when the team plays like this. Fire the coach, or trade players.

I am not impressed with Verbeek’s ability in getting players to this point. And you can’t get the player back if it turns out the coach was the issue.
Agree in principle. Fans are assuming a lot of things that we don’t know (behind the scenes). On ice product is bad but we don’t know how much of that Verbeek attributes to coaching.
 

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Tryna get away, man
Main selling point was him being a coach that would instill work ethic and light a fire under his players asses, which sounded great for a team that needed to be held accountable. Wether or not he’s doing that, I don’t even know, because them sucking at every aspect of the game would snuff out any motivational fire he provides. And if players both old and young are feeling lost out there, that motivation wouldn’t hold up coming from him, and he would need to be held accountable for his system.

If we hire an experienced coach, and they’re still feeling lost out there, i’ll be surprised and severely concerned. It’s not about being good this year, it’s about taking a step forward from being a bottom-5 dumpster fire, and they haven’t so far.
It’d be hilarious and very welcome if Cronin manages to turn this around though.
 
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Agree in principle. Fans are assuming a lot of things that we don’t know (behind the scenes). On ice product is bad but we don’t know how much of that Verbeek attributes to coaching.
I’m just going off of his repeated stressing on how they need to dump the puck and forecheck, and to just shoot more. Neither is working with this bunch, because they can’t dump and chase, and are shooting without screens/rebounds. Then the answer is is “I told them what to do, I’m not sure what else to do”.

None of that says “competent, needs a contract extension” to me.
 

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it’s not just here because twitter is far worse, but I can’t believe how much hate Carlyle gets. Just like an abject unwillingness to recognize basically anything positive that he did.

But yeah, I think we need to move on from Cronin but pat probably won’t until after the season, unless we only have like 30 points at the all star break
Carlyle wasn't a bad coach in his first stint. He was a good matchup coach and did make some decent adjustments in playoff series. He knew how to use great players. But ultimately, his methods and his message got stale. He was bad in his stint in Toronto and then bad in his second Anaheim stint. He deserves plenty of criticism for not adjusting.
 
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I am not convinced coaching change will change the outcome much (disregarding the new coach effect), but we are getting closer to the point where he's either fired or there's a trade.

I'll maintain what I said before, we're lucky if we're good by the Carlsson's 7th season. Long road.
Agreed, but I’d rather trade a bad coach for another bad coach than trade a promising young player who goes on to flourish elsewhere for a plug.

Theodore for Bieksa never again please. Cogliano never again please.
 

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Oh good, it's not just me...

I try not to get too emotionally invested in the results, as we shouldn't be expected to be all that good just yet. However, I'm just not seeing the competitiveness even close to where we need it on a nightly basis, and even more concerning - I'm not seeing nearly enough progression from these key young players.

Wanted this to work out because a lot of folks around the game spoke really highly of the guy - but maybe he's just a great AC. Being the HC is a whole other ballgame...

There are issues with the roster - it's not all coaching. The forward group lacks speed/tenacity/heart, and the D are young + inconsistent. But we need a better coach to help these guys find their way. We can be better than this, even with a very imperfect roster.
 
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Oh good, it's not just me...

I try not to get too emotionally invested in the results, as we shouldn't be expected to be all that good just yet. However, I'm just not seeing the competitiveness even close to where we need it on a nightly basis, and even more concerning - I'm not seeing nearly enough progression from these key young players.

Wanted this to work out because a lot of folks around the game spoke really highly of the guy - but maybe he's just a great AC. Being the HC is a whole other ballgame...

There are issues with the roster - it's not all coaching. The forward group lacks speed/tenacity/heart, and the D are young + inconsistent. But we need a better coach to help these guys find their way. We can be better than this, even with a very imperfect roster.

100%

Nobody thinks we should be good. But we absolutely should be demanding improvement.
 

Mr Rogers

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Carlyle wasn't a bad coach in his first stint. He was a good matchup coach and did make some decent adjustments in playoff series. He knew how to use great players. But ultimately, his methods and his message got stale. He was bad in his stint in Toronto and then bad in his second Anaheim stint. He deserves plenty of criticism for not adjusting.
How was he bad in his 2nd stint? they made the playoffs 2/3 years including going to a game 6 of the WCF after getting absolutely screwed by NHL scheduling. And then just getting into the playoffs in 2018 was impressive, that team was basically geriatric at that point.

Of course he was old school and set in his ways, but he wasn't 'bad' in his 2nd stint here, if anything I'd say he was pretty good.
 
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How was he bad in his 2nd stint? they made the playoffs 2/3 years including going to a game 6 of the WCF after getting absolutely screwed by NHL scheduling. And then just getting into the playoffs in 2018 was impressive, that team was basically geriatric at that point.

Of course he was old school and set in his ways, but he wasn't 'bad' in his 2nd stint here, if anything I'd say he was pretty good.
He was bad. The Ducks had two Hall of Famers and a stacked young defense. He lost them in under two seasons. That effort in the San Jose sweep was pathetic, and it was spurred by Carlyle's stubborn adherence to old school hockey and criticism.
 
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Mr Rogers

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He was bad. The Ducks had two Hall of Famers and a stacked young defense. He lost them in under two seasons. That effort in the San Jose sweep was pathetic, and it was spurred by Carlyle's stubborn adherence to old school hockey and criticism.
They had a really good run in 16/17, and he did a great job given the circumstances i thought especially in the Oilers series - no way Boudreau wins that. the next year, they were beaten by a team that was simply a lot better in every way. None of that was because of him but rather a team that was falling off.

Also why was he only 'not bad' to you in his first stint? he was one of the best coaches in the league for a few years. I never once felt like Randy's teams underachieved. They either performed to expectations or slightly exceeded and that goes for both stints. Overall probably a good, not great coach, but who had a season or two where was probably very good to great. the teams he had over the years were not all his cookie cutter preference either, he had success with different roster makeups
 
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Last game was the snapping point for me. Z missing the PS, Leo falling below a .50 PPG, and the 4 min PP that not only didn’t convert , looked horrible. I also think the broadcast mentioning some player comments also was alarming. Like with Zegras not liking the wing, along with other comments from interviews that they have no ides where their line-mates are supposed to be or are. That to me is a red flag among red flags.

Also, some of you bash Killorn but is it really all on him? Look at his face expressions last game, he was not having it, I think he even was yelling at one his line-mates. Can see the frustration on his face. It was not a I don’t give a shit, it was a “What the F is everyone doing” kinda expression.
 

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Right now we don’t have anyone to trade that will give us any return.

In hindsight, moving Vatrano at the TDL last year was the move to make. His contract is too friendly and he may start scoring.

We might move Fowler, but that will have little impact.

John
 

Kalv

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The so called development coach is helping many on the team to get worse. That alone should get him fired.
This is my biggest problem. I could stomach the poor on ice result (eye test) somewhat better if I would see our young guys improve individually. To me it seems they're just not enjouing the game anymore. That is very very alarming for the franchise but hey, Pat likes the hard workers
 
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Last night, Aly reported that Cronin has a list of five to six items the team needs to improve upon. Guy interjected that Cronin is giving too many instructions that it could be very confusing and that maybe the team just needs to simplify things. Just go to basics and work on that. Then add one item once everyone's comfy.

With so many youths, the many instructions could be freezing them mentally. The older vets can process the many instructions b/c they've been there and done that.

The problem with Cronin is the lack of growth across the board. Under Eakins, he had both youths and vets improving. Eakins had Terry in San Diego where Terry was great, but Terry struggled at the NHL level. Eakins helped Terry at the NHL level to reach that 37 goal achievement. Z hit 60+ points twice under Eakins, including his rookie season. Drysdale scored 32 points in his rookie season. Fowler hit career highs in scoring in consecutive seasons. Pugilist Des learned to become a PKer for us.



As for our PP, that's not on Cronin. New asst coach Clune is in charge of the PP. Clune is worse than Brown, but it's also a small sample. That sample result is still blowing chunks.

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Verbeek may value development differently from us such as making physical training a part of a player's daily diet and that constitutes as a vastly positive improvement in Verbeek's eyes, which is a positive improvement in the culture PV wants to build. At 58 points, Verbeek discarded Eakins quickly like a used paper towel. At 58 points with Cronin last year, Verbeek was all rainbows and sunshine because his vision of culture and compete was aligned with Cronin.

Cronin isn't going anywhere this year because the metric for development is probably being satisfied for Verbeek.
 

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