Should Amirov be rushed?

[justashadowof]

Maybe one significant KHL season first before NA. He's not some elite prospect who is too good for the KHL at 20.

 

[ACC1224]

This team is horrendous when it comes to LW and we only have 3 more guaranteed(barring a trade) seasons from Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares so it begs to question whether rushing this guy is the way to go.

I'm thinking we should give him a look on the first line next season. The time is now to make something happen we can't think 5-6 years down the road here we don't know who's staying and who's going.

Rushing him is a terrible idea.

 

[TheScandal89]

Anyone know what happened to this guy, he's only played 3 games so far. I know he hurt his shoulder and returned, but did he get injured again after only 3 games?

 

[capfit9]

Anyone know what happened to this guy, he's only played 3 games so far. I know he hurt his shoulder and returned, but did he get injured again after only 3 games?

 

[Mickey Marner]

Typically Russians turn out best when they're allowed to develop into their early 20's (Panarin, Tarasenko, Kaprizov, Kuznetsov etc.) and come over as impact players. I'd rather take that route.

 

[justloveleafs]

Could be done already....My buddy Darcy was never the same after he got submarined by the rat from Ottawa... Neither was Peca after Darcy submarined him lol. Shouder injuries yuck the player rarely feels like getting engaged after an injury like that.

Darcy played for a couple more years, but was self admittedly a shell of himself. Or as he put it, a corpse..He was his own worst critic.l

Its why except in the case of Marner, I applaud these guys for putting as much dough on the wheelbarrow as they can... It can end any time.

 

[Stephen]

Mysterious injury requiring a German medial opinion. That doesn't sound fun.

 

[Stephen]

If he wasn't injured a schedule like the beginning of this one would be an opportunity to give him a taste. Yes yes we are playing like trash and losing with this easy schedule right now but that's not the point. He'd be nice and sheltered in that top 6 just play smart and get open. We wouldn't be sending him in to drive lines.

I wouldn't see it as a rush. The logistics probably just don't work out with the whole KHL thing.

To be blunt, that is a straight up terrible idea even if Amirov was healthy.

Yo-yo'ing a young 20 year old prospect from abroad on a struggling team in sheltered minutes. Chances are that player won't get enough ice time to produce anything. Once the curiosity factor wears off after a few games a few fans will start whispering "this guy sucks, shoulda drafted the other guy" and/or the player gets hurt playing against guys he's not ready to play, which creates lost time in the development timeline. Or best case scenario, he scores a couple of nice goals, burns the first year on the ELC and then gets sent back to the minors.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

To be blunt, that is a straight up terrible idea even if Amirov was healthy.

Yo-yo'ing a young 20 year old prospect from abroad on a struggling team in sheltered minutes. Chances are that player won't get enough ice time to produce anything. Once the curiosity factor wears off after a few games a few fans will start whispering "this guy sucks, shoulda drafted the other guy" and/or the player gets hurt playing against guys he's not ready to play, which creates lost time in the development timeline. Or best case scenario, he scores a couple of nice goals, burns the first year on the ELC and then gets sent back to the minors.

The 9 game rookie tryout then send them down used to be more common. Pretty sure we did it a couple times in the past pre-lockout.

See the end where I pretty much agree the abroad factor makes the whole idea useless.

Tryouts create uncertainty for young NHLers

Here is a good article for where I'm coming from. If he wasn't injured and held his own in pre-season, the schedule was perfect for a 9 game tryout. Note that the tryout decision lacks the hindsight we have right now at 12:30 am November 1st. Theyd have assumed he'd be sheltered beyond belief for that schedule. I would have found it perfectly reasonable if Leafs started the season 8-1 given the schedule and if everyone played to their expectations.

 

[JSn0w93]

Could be done already....My buddy Darcy was never the same after he got submarined by the rat from Ottawa... Neither was Peca after Darcy submarined him lol. Shouder injuries yuck the player rarely feels like getting engaged after an injury like that.

Darcy played for a couple more years, but was self admittedly a shell of himself. Or as he put it, a corpse..He was his own worst critic.l

Its why except in the case of Marner, I applaud these guys for putting as much dough on the wheelbarrow as they can... It can end any time.

The shoulder injury he had initially wasn't all that serious. If the new issue is the shoulder again it might be an issue. Unless it requires surgery I highly doubt it will have any long term effects on his career. Pretty negative take.

 

[AvroArrow]

He's not even close to ready to play on the first line, if he does make the lineup he should start in the bottom 6, preferably the 3rd line. Can't throw him to the wolves the way Edmonton did back in the early 2010s, terrible for his development and for our future.

 

[Gary Nylund]

When asked if a player should be rushed, the answer is always the same: Dumb question and the answer is no.

 

[justashadowof]

The question answers itself with the use of the word "rushed". I keep saying that it's impossible to "ruin" a prospect by rushing him. Almost every athlete faces failure at some point and must learn from it. In the modern NHL rushing a prospect can be a mistake because it potentially costs years of control.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

The question answers itself with the use of the word "rushed". I keep saying that it's impossible to "ruin" a prospect by rushing him. Almost every athlete faces failure at some point and must learn from it. In the modern NHL rushing a prospect can be a mistake because it potentially costs years of control.

Hence the 9 game rule! As long as they don't see game 10 you can slide it. If they deserve game 10 then the answer was yes.

 

[LeafChief]

Hence the 9 game rule! As long as they don't see game 10 you can slide it. If they deserve game 10 then the answer was yes.

Amirov is nowhere close to earning even a 9 game try-out. The injuries are a shame as he played really well in the KHL preseason. He needs to get healthy and hopefully have a strong finish overseas. If he does that and his season ends early, bring him over to the Marlies to finish the season in NA.

 

[Tak7]

Interesting to visit this thread on the same day Cole Caufield gets sent down by Montreal.

You don't rush prospects. Doing so can do more harm than good, especially from a confidence/belief standpoint.

 

[cupcrazyman]

If you think amirov is the last remaining puzzle piece to complete the puzzle, you're in for a surprise

Dubas should have moved down in the draft & picked Kaiden Guhle or Braden Scheider.Just what we needed,size on the blueline.Not another frail forward with terrible scoring stats.

 

[Macallan18]

When asked if a player should be rushed, the answer is always the same: Dumb question and the answer is no.

Yeah, get him playing for the Leafs, while he's still in a cast!!!

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This team is horrendous when it comes to LW and we only have 3 more guaranteed(barring a trade) seasons from Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares so it begs to question whether rushing this guy is the way to go.

I'm thinking we should give him a look on the first line next season. The time is now to make something happen we can't think 5-6 years down the road here we don't know who's staying and who's going.

You can't DEVELOP players with this way of thinking .. top 9 wingers when they are SKILL READY will tell you in 1st 5 NHL games if they are gonna make it or not in pro hockey .. otherwise they can take longer for a defensive or 4th line role

 

[Knies iT]

It's dependent on his current injury. If he rehabs well and ends up playing 35-45 KHL games (plus potentially ~10 AHL games end of year) this season, he'll be given a real chance in camp next fall.

Most people are expecting him to play KHL next season, but he's one of the older players in his draft and played close to 55 games last season (reg season + playoffs + WJC) while a guy like Jarvis barely played, is far less physically developed and is being given an NHL look right now by Carolina. Same can be said for Lapierre in WSH and Mercer in NJ.

His defensive game is also very polished for a highly skilled player so it's not as if it's top 6 or bust for him. He's a top 15 pick who will be in his D+3, I think he contends for a roster spot.

 

[Stinger8]

AMIROV, could be good, or gud, but, he is kinda fat... Incredible this and that..

But he does not like the gym...

Dubas saw for sure a serious, serious talent, but does he become a gym and rink crazy like malkin... or crosby...

Very few guys do...Very few do...

And, its kinda understandable....

Dubas, tried to bet on this guy being a guy who wants to make a lot, lot more than an elc

My hat is off to Dubas for the speculation but what he does not understand, he has to hire a guy, over there, for decent cash, to keep this guy going...

Dubas might learn that kind of stuff... Its the top end...

But larry gotta get out his real estate winnings wallet for that

If they figure that out, and get it legally out of cap distance, the leafs will have the league pissed

What I see about this guy in question, he is lazy, and wont put in the work to be a malkin

But if the leafs hire the right guy to get this going.. he could be great

Hockey players are like race horses.. get the right trainer and the right follies on the side

A CERTAIN team in the eighties was expert at that, nuff said..

I agree whole heartedly with the last two words in this comment

 

[Stephen]

The 9 game rookie tryout then send them down used to be more common. Pretty sure we did it a couple times in the past pre-lockout.

See the end where I pretty much agree the abroad factor makes the whole idea useless.

Tryouts create uncertainty for young NHLers

Here is a good article for where I'm coming from. If he wasn't injured and held his own in pre-season, the schedule was perfect for a 9 game tryout. Note that the tryout decision lacks the hindsight we have right now at 12:30 am November 1st. Theyd have assumed he'd be sheltered beyond belief for that schedule. I would have found it perfectly reasonable if Leafs started the season 8-1 given the schedule and if everyone played to their expectations.

My thought process on Amirov is just leave him alone for a while to develop. Even a guy like William Nylander who came out of Europe spent time in the AHL in his draft plus two season before getting some time with the Leafs. Didn’t make the pro roster full time until his draft plus three year. Amirov doesn’t seem like he’s on that level. Plus the culture shift and injury issues don’t help.