Confirmed with Link: Shesterkin recalled.

[Harbour Dog]

Just finished the game. I was so excited when I seen that Shesty was starting!

He definitely had some nerves, but he made the saves that counted and seemed to settle in in the third period. Beginning of an era!

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I know a lot of fans are wishing for Henrik to see the writing on the wall and ask for a trade, thusly opening up a ton of cap space and room for both Shesty & Georgiev, but I think he deserves to finish his career out as a Ranger if he wishes to do so - he's certainly earned it. Also believe Shesty will benefit greatly under he and Benoit's tutelage if it is just the two of them for an entire season.

Henrik is one of the most fiercest competitors and if the same holds true for Shesty then just observing how Hank carries himself on a daily basis throughout a season both in practices and in games will be a benefit to his development. Of course he'll be gaining some of that this season, but as Nevesis pointed out I also think Hank has a lot left in the tank.

I always thought he would have a long, effective career similar to Belfour's (19 seasons). I'm not about to give up on him in a reduced role. Let's not forget this goalie rotation is relatively new for him as well and there is an adjustment period there too. He still is a better, much more experienced goalie than Georgy and will be next season as well.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-...ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251

Congrats Igor!

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know a lot of fans are wishing for Henrik to see the writing on the wall and ask for a trade, thusly opening up a ton of cap space and room for both Shesty & Georgiev, but I think he deserves to finish his career out as a Ranger if he wishes to do so - he's certainly earned it. Also believe Shesty will benefit greatly under he and Benoit's tutelage if it is just the two of them for an entire season.

Henrik is one of the most fiercest competitors and if the same holds true for Shesty then just observing how Hank carries himself on a daily basis throughout a season both in practices and in games will be a benefit to his development. Of course he'll be gaining some of that this season, but as Nevesis pointed out I also think Hank has a lot left in the tank.

I always thought he would have a long, effective career similar to Belfour's (19 seasons). I'm not about to give up on him in a reduced role. Let's not forget this goalie rotation is relatively new for him as well and there is an adjustment period there too. He still is a better, much more experienced goalie than Georgy and will be next season as well.

I honestly don't understand the thought process of Lundqvist earning finishing his career with the Rangers at the expense of the organization. The Rangers made him an incredibly wealthy man for his services. He hasn't been doing them a favor all of these years.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I honestly don't understand the thought process of Lundqvist earning finishing his career with the Rangers at the expense of the organization. The Rangers made him an incredibly wealthy man for his services. He hasn't been doing them a favor all of these years.

His trade/retirement is gonna hurt your post count

 

[EdJovanovski]

I don’t think “loyalty” or Lundqvist earning it is the only reason to justify moving Georgiev instead of Hank. I think you could argue the affect Lundqvist would have on Shesterkin being his backup & mentor is greater than having Georgiev who may perform a bit better than an aging Hank as his backup. Decent backup goalies are a dime a dozen, a generational goalie who’s one of the most fierce competitors the games ever seen mentoring the heir to his throne isn’t. I’m not crazy about the idea of having this rookie goalies backup be a goalie who’s even younger than him, Hank is a leader on this team and a calming presence who can teach Shesterkin so much. I’d rather recoup the assets in a Georgiev deal and have Shesterkin taken under Hanks wing.

 

[JHS]

Do you believe that you would have enhanced his trade value by sending him to Hartford?

Of course not but neither is putting him in an absurd 3 goalie rotation that no one can flourish or be properly “showcased” for any trade.

Once again they have handled a situation that is difficult in the worst possible way.

 

[haveandare]

Of course not but neither is putting him in an absurd 3 goalie rotation that no one can flourish or be properly “showcased” for any trade.

Once again they have handled a situation that is difficult in the worst possible way.

We have no idea what the plan is or what might be going on behind the curtain. At least wait for something to happen before panning it.

 

[JHS]

We have no idea what the plan is or what might be going on behind the curtain. At least wait for something to happen before panning it.

But the handeling till now has been horrible- they had many other options that would have been better than this debacle and they screwed it up. That much is clear.

 

[HFBS]

But the handeling till now has been horrible- they had many other options that would have been better than this debacle and they screwed it up. That much is clear.

That's ridiculous. The Rangers have 3 goalies playing well. If Georgiev sucked and was sent down or released would you think the Rangers were geniuses because they now have 2 good goalies and no goalie problem?

 

[haveandare]

But the handeling till now has been horrible- they had many other options that would have been better than this debacle and they screwed it up. That much is clear.

It’s being handled fine. They can’t force Hank out and they can’t move one of the other two until they know what they have in both at the NHL level. Georgiev getting a dozen extra games doesn’t give any team a clearer idea of what kind of goalie he is.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

His trade/retirement is gonna hurt your post count

Other than the snide remark do you have a comment about posters treating the Rangers like a charity?

 

[Rempe73]

I don’t think “loyalty” or Lundqvist earning it is the only reason to justify moving Georgiev instead of Hank. I think you could argue the affect Lundqvist would have on Shesterkin being his backup & mentor is greater than having Georgiev who may perform a bit better than an aging Hank as his backup. Decent backup goalies are a dime a dozen, a generational goalie who’s one of the most fierce competitors the games ever seen mentoring the heir to his throne isn’t. I’m not crazy about the idea of having this rookie goalies backup be a goalie who’s even younger than him, Hank is a leader on this team and a calming presence who can teach Shesterkin so much. I’d rather recoup the assets in a Georgiev deal and have Shesterkin taken under Hanks wing.

It’s also that the difference in talent between Georgiev and Hank isn’t big right now and probably won’t ever be that big until Hank falls off a cliff (which probably won’t happen until he’s in his 40s). Yes Georgiev has potential, but as an elite backup? Like you said, good backups are a dime a dozen. Maybe as a starter? Well, then he would want to play for a different team anyways, since Igor would be stopping him from being that here, just like Hank stopped Talbot and Raanta from doing that. Obviously, things can change and Georgiev might end up being better than Igor. But the safe bet right now is Igor.

 

[JHS]

That's ridiculous. The Rangers have 3 goalies playing well. If Georgiev sucked and was sent down or relleased would you think the Rangers were geniuses because they now have 2 good goalies and no goalie problem?

I think you are missing my point. If they wanted to see what Shesterkin had and see what their future looks like why wait until Georgie can’t be sent to the minors to do that? No one can give me an answer because it’s literally absurdly bad managing. Right now, even if we want to believe they hope to “showcase” these talents and “figure out what they have” they can’t do that as efficiently because there are now 3 goalies sharing one spot. That means LESS opportunities for each player to play and LESS chance to see what Shesterkin has. If they honestly believe that they can make a formative assessment on what a goalie can do in the NHL after 6ish starts( realistically all they can expect to give Shesterkin before the deadline if you still want Georgie to be a marketable trade prospect— since he will need some games just to stay sharp) that’s comical to me! People are really supporting this philosophy that a few weeks worth of starts is enough to see if Shesterkin is the answer over Georgie??? I’m stunned. The only confidence I can even glean from this situation is Benoit, the goalie coach, is a literal genius, and can probably make an assessment pretty quick.

The time to do this was before Georgie hit his waiver exempt status. That only occurred like a month ago— nothing has changed in this team’s playoff potential, nothing has changed with the way these three goalies are playing— the only thing that’s changed is they can’t send Georgie down now.

Also, and GM worth their paycheck is going to know the situation the Rangers are in and turn the screws in them once Georgie becomes available( if he does) at the deadline. Knowing that the Rangers have no viable option with him, they can easily make them consider wasting a year of both prospects development as a bargaining chip for why the Rangers should settle for less assets back. I’m sure other GM’s know the Rangers will want to fix this “problem” and won’t offer as much now as a result.

I’m sorry if people can’t see this for what it is— literally the worst possible asset management. But why should any of us be surprised, this is the same organization who just had a top 10 pick quit rather than stay with this dysfunction.

 

[JHS]

It’s being handled fine. They can’t force Hank out and they can’t move one of the other two until they know what they have in both at the NHL level. Georgiev getting a dozen extra games doesn’t give any team a clearer idea of what kind of goalie he is.

And neither does giving Shesterkin 6 ish games in the NHL before the trade deadline give the Rangers any real sense of what this guy can do at the NHL level. That’s not nearly enough of a sample size— again that’s why this move should have been made a month ago so as to get an actual sample size, admidetly way too small of one— but still more than they can get now.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Other than the snide remark do you have a comment about posters treating the Rangers like a charity?

I can sympathize with a soft spot for Lundqvist,yet I'm also certain the Rangers give so little a shit about sentiment that they would send the King to the moon if they could spin the PR the right way.

 

[trench23]

https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-...ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251

Congrats Igor!

4 in the top 50 isn't bad! (even though lists like these are always extremely subjective)
Sad to see Kravstov drop from 1 to 36. Hope he turns it around. Impressive we have had the Number 1 two years in a row!

 

[GAGLine]

I know I’m really tough on Quinn but let’s add this to the list of things he screwed up. He played Georgie past the 60 games just 3 weeks ago and now has eliminated him from being waiver exempt. Nothing tangible has changed in the past 3 weeks— Georgie still playing well,Hank still holding his own, Shesterkin playing great in the AHL— so why not make this move 3 weeks ago so that each of these guys could be treated fairly?? If you don’t want to blame Quinn than Gorton should have made Quinn aware of this.

Quinn plays the players he has. It's not his job to worry about Georgiev's waiver status. He doesn't determine who gets called up or sent down.

I'm sure Gorton and Drury knew full well that Georgiev would be waiver eligible once he hit the 60 game mark, and they obviously weren't worried about it. They could have sent Georgiev down and called up Shesterkin earlier, but they didn't. My guess is they had no intention of ever sending Georgiev down, barring the actual need to send him down due to his play or for a conditioning stint following an injury. Neither of those things happened.

If their intention is to trade Georgiev, then keeping him on the roster and playing games is a good thing. Build up his value.

 

[True Blue]

Of course not but neither is putting him in an absurd 3 goalie rotation that no one can flourish or be properly “showcased” for any trade.

Once again they have handled a situation that is difficult in the worst possible way.

For the 4th time, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? Demote Georgiev and hurt his trade value?

 

[True Blue]

I’m sorry if people can’t see this for what it is— literally the worst possible asset management. But why should any of us be surprised, this is the same organization who just had a top 10 pick quit rather than stay with this dysfunction.

Translation: (Just like in the Quinn thread) I cannot believe all of you people cannot see the same thing I can! Can't you see that I am right? Dammit it makes me mad when people do not see things my way!

 

[JHS]

For the 4th time, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? Demote Georgiev and hurt his trade value?

If that is my only option then YES! His trade value is hurt now as he is getting LESS playing time! This absurd idea that sending an NHL proven goalie down to the minors because of a contractual situation with another player lowers his trade value is absurd! HE'S ALREADY PROVEN HIMSELF AN NHL WORTHY GOALIE!!!His value is hurt way more by not being "game ready"! Other NHL teams who will be wanting to acquire a goalie will want one who is ready to play in the playoff push-- not one that sat in the skybox and gotten less reps in practice. You really can't be this dense my friend-- I've answered your question 4 times now!!!! Explaining each time why the way they are handling the situation is WRONG for all goalies.

My turn, do you believe a 6 game NHL run is enough to evaluate a goalie or would a 15ish game run be more meaningful in the evaluation process?

Do you think telegraphing that you are going to trade Georgie makes him more valuable or less valuable at the trade deadline?

 

[JHS]

Translation: (Just like in the Quinn thread) I cannot believe all of you people cannot see the same thing I can! Can't you see that I am right? Dammit it makes me mad when people do not see things my way!

translation: You love taking personal shots at me when I explain my reasoning for my thoughts and you then just can't understand how my ideas are thoughts that actually make sense. Not my problem.

I really think you in particular, just think all these Ranger brain trust guys are always "right" and never make mistakes. I point out their mistakes and you just go after me.

 

[True Blue]

translation: You love taking personal shots at me when I explain my reasoning for my thoughts and you then just can't understand how my ideas are thoughts that actually make sense. Not my problem.

Your reasoning is a bit, shall we say, not impartial. Not my problem at all, but that is the view.

I really think you in particular, just think all these Ranger brain trust guys are always "right" and never make mistakes. I point out their mistakes and you just go after me.

No, you point out things that disagreed with your ideology and have chosen to call them mistakes. I.e these are mistakes of your views and that is it.

 

[offdacrossbar]

https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-...ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251

Congrats Igor!

yikes

kravtsov dropped like a stone .

 

[True Blue]

If that is my only option then YES! His trade value is hurt now as he is getting LESS playing time!

As was pointed out to you, there was never a view to send him down. The decision to keep Georgiev up was not done without consideration and a buy in from all. More than likely as his time playing was done to enhance his trade value. Management seems to disagree with your views. So frankly do I. Keeping him playing in the NHL helps his trade value. Having him in Hartford out of sight, out of mind, hurts his trade value.

This absurd idea that sending an NHL proven goalie down to the minors because of a contractual situation with another player lowers his trade value is absurd! HE'S ALREADY PROVEN HIMSELF AN NHL WORTHY GOALIE!!!

Careful, now you contradict yourself. First you say that if that you would send him to Hartford. The very next sentence you say that it is an absurd idea as he is already a proven NHL goalie. Which is it? Why would you follow through on your absurd idea?

His value is hurt way more by not being "game ready"! Other NHL teams who will be wanting to acquire a goalie will want one who is ready to play in the playoff push-- not one that sat in the skybox and gotten less reps in practice.

Has he shown that he is not game ready? Or are you inventing things to fit your narrative?

ou really can't be this dense my friend-- I've answered your question 4 times now!!!! Explaining each time why the way they are handling the situation is WRONG for all goalies.

Again, this is nothing more than :"Dammit. Why can't all of you people see that I am right? Why is no one agreeing with me?

My turn, do you believe a 6 game NHL run is enough to evaluate a goalie or would a 15ish game run be more meaningful in the evaluation process?

I have no idea as of yet because I have no idea of how many games he is going to get in. And neither do you. Neither of us are privy to the plan.

Do you think telegraphing that you are going to trade Georgie makes him more valuable or less valuable at the trade deadline?

This is conjecture. Do you want me to respond based upon the facts as you believe them to be? Or what I believe to be more realistic? Because trying to respond to something that is pure conjecture is not the easiest thing in the world.