Shesterkin: Early Hart Favourite?

[WarriorofTime]

Great goalie, but no.

Price only won it because scoring was so low that year (Benn won the Art Ross with 87 points) and he had <2 GAA and >.930 SV% stat line, plus he was the most feared goalie in the game as per the players.

Shesterkin came close to that stat line in 21-22 and was only 3rd in Hart voting, where he was closer to 5th than 2nd in voting.

It needs to be an exceptional goaltending year combined with no real standout individual performances for a goalie to win the Hart, and it doesn't look like it's shaping up like that this year. MacK and Kuch look like they'll put up monster numbers again, and there could be a dark horse like Kaprizov who enters the race.

A Non-Forward has only won the Hart Trophy 9 times in the last 70 years. 3 Orr, 2 Hasek, 1 each for Plante, Pronger, Theodore and Price.

Which makes Theodore winning in 2002 due to the Montreal Mob look especially derpy in hindsight. There's no justification for a 30 win Goalie season standing out that much.

 

[NVious]

He is behind Hutson for me so far, but maybe he can win a Byng or something.

 

[Goose]

He is behind Hutson for me so far, but maybe he can win a Byng or something.

He’s going to win a 12.3 mil AAV contract. (Calling it.)

Pretty good consolation prize.

 

[BlueAzN]

Gotta be Makar

 

[the_fan]

Makar is leading the league in scoring as a d-man. Gotta be him

 

[Crosby2010]

Makar perhaps right now? He might lose on the split vote at the end of the year depending on what MacKinnon ends up with. But it wouldn't shock me if it is him.

 

[armani]

Mighty Igor of Manhattan single handedly beat the Sens the other night, honestly gives me The Dominator vibes in terms of his impact to his team. He will get 8 figures and will be in Hart discussions if he keeps up as well as his team the rest of the season.

 

[PaulD]

Theodore in 2002?

One off.
The Habs stunk and he got them in the play offs
This years Rangers are in the play offs with anyone of the 32 number one goalies.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

One off.
The Habs stunk and he got them in the play offs
This years Rangers are in the play offs with anyone of the 32 number one goalies.

I appreciate the vote of confidence but if you've seen the Devils last year I don't think you'd be as confident about that assertion. Plus our defense statistically is one of the worst in the NHL. The team is not as good as many think. Forward group very good and deep though.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Theodore in 2002?

Theodore was that good in 2002. Don’t let his later reputation fool you, he put that Habs team on his back and legitimately earned that Hart.

 

[Czechboy]

If we are doing this small a sample size than I'd say Dostal has the Vezina locked up right now. Much worse team (no offence) and he has better stats.

 

[EXTRAS]

Makar is tied for the league point lead as a dman. He's been apart of 53% of Colorados goals.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If we are doing this small a sample size than I'd say Dostal has the Vezina locked up right now. Much worse team (no offence) and he has better stats.

Aren't the awards even the Vezina biased towards better teams?

 

[Coffee]

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He was the weakest win though. Many thought Iginla deserved it.

LOL epic gif choice

$15M AAV!

@The Crypto Guy is that really the projections ?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

LOL epic gif choice


@The Crypto Guy is that really the projections ?

Closer to 16M.

 

[Coffee]

Closer to 16M.

The witty Crypto guy, love him or hate him, he's hard to beat

 

[Czechboy]

Aren't the awards even the Vezina biased towards better teams?

I'm not sure who the better teams are after 11 games. Which was kind of my point.

 

[benfranklin]

Nah Panarin and Fox are too good in front of him to ever get it. Conn Smythe he could win.

And in terms of goalie at this mark of the seasons, Helleybuyck and Dostal have been equally good on worse teams.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Agree with the above that Kaprizov is hard to ignore right now both given his own play and how much he means to the Wild. Currently has a point on 54% of the Wild goals. I do think Shesterkin is up there, and is one of those guys who always seems to be good even if the stats aren’t as amazing as his Vezina year. Though having Panarin and Fox on the team as well probably hurts him a bit for voters.

18 of the 21 points for Kaprizov are primary points as well. Not racking up a ton of secondary assists.

 

[Toby91ca]

People laughing at this are off their rocker. I do think Vezina is more appropriate for him but Igor has been the sole reason this team is over .500 right now. We came 3 shots short of 3 straight 40 shot games against him. The Rangers' defense has been comical and Igor has been a wall (with the exception of a goal here or there). Is Hellebuyck really even close to him? I can't imagine the Jets giving nearly as much in terms of shots and quality as the Rangers. The Rangers are low key a non-playoff team right now playing with an all world goalie. They were a juggernaut the first 6 games (albeit against bad teams mostly) but then we needed some #WARRIOR power and have been complete garbage ever since then.

I'll start by suggesting it's crazy to start talking about an early favourite for the Hart.....especially for a goalie....but for sake of discussion: I see no chance whatsoever he'd be in the conversation, let alone the favourite. 1) He doesn't lead the league in any stat and 2) His team is 3rd or 4th in goals for per game.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'll start by suggesting it's crazy to start talking about an early favourite for the Hart.....especially for a goalie....but for sake of discussion: I see no chance whatsoever he'd be in the conversation, let alone the favourite. 1) He doesn't lead the league in any stat and 2) His team is 3rd or 4th in goals for per game.

He's second in goals saved above expected and his team is probably going to make the playoffs unlike the Ducks.

 

[Toby91ca]

He's second in goals saved above expected and his team is probably going to make the playoffs unlike the Ducks.

Are Hart voters going to reserve their vote for a goalie that is 2nd in goals saved above expected?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Are Hart voters going to reserve their vote for a goalie that is 2nd in goals saved above expected?

Maybe not, was just saying "doesn't lead the league in any category" is true but not like he's 10th. He's 2nd and the guy in first will probably not make the playoffs.

 

[Toby91ca]

Maybe not, was just saying "doesn't lead the league in any category" is true but not like he's 10th. He's 2nd and the guy in first will probably not make the playoffs.

But it's also a stat that most voters probably don't even look at.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

But it's also a stat that most voters probably don't even look at.

I think voters look at advanced stats. When Fox won the Norris it was widely believed that his advanced stats played a big role.