Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe Fired -- Discussion Thread

[REALTALK81]

It's a results based business. Keefe didn't deliver and he's done. I hope the players realize that only so many coaches can get fired before management starts looking on the ice. How many of the core 4 have dominated a series? People throw a lot of shade at Marner (leads core 4 in playoff points ) but Zach Hyman just outscored all them combined. You could get seven players at Hymans cap and still be under what the core 4 makes. The next coach better be the top 6 whisperer because after next year, the core 4 will be no more. My only hope is that someday I will get to see a proper rebuild without paying through the nose for players who haven't won anything in the playoffs.

 

[Gallagbi]

I expect they'll say something like "all options are on the table" which will buy them time until the draft to make up their minds one way or the other

I'm expecting the same. It's non-committal. Something like you noted + "But we're happy with the talent we have and believe they can win as a group" will make me skeptical of a move coming

 

[Captain Crunch]

The ultimate say on what? The coach is responsible for getting a team playing to their potential. Personnel decisions are a GM call. If the GM believes a team underperformed expectations, the coach goes. It's not that tough.

But it’s funny that Shanahan had already told the core they’d be back before he hired Tre. So when he hired Tre he then told him that his main priority was to get Matthews and Nylander resigned. So it looks like those personnel decisions weren’t Tre’s to make, they were Shanahan’s. But I’m sure Shanny let Tre make the decision to fire Keefe all by himself. Lol

 

[Gallagbi]

But it’s funny that Shanahan had already told the core they’d be back before he hired Tre. So when he hired Tre he then told him that his main priority was to get Matthews and Nylander resigned. So it looks like those personnel decisions weren’t Tre’s to make, they were Shanahan’s. But I’m sure Shanny let Tre make the decision to fire Keefe all by himself. Lol

...or he hired a GM that wanted to keep the core.

 

[ACC1224]

But it’s funny that Shanahan had already told the core they’d be back before he hired Tre. So when he hired Tre he then told him that his main priority was to get Matthews and Nylander resigned. So it looks like those personnel decisions weren’t Tre’s to make, they were Shanahan’s. But I’m sure Shanny let Tre make the decision to fire Keefe all by himself. Lol

Shanahan would have discussed this with Treliving when he interviewed him and probably wouldn’t have hired him if they weren’t on the same page.
Firing Keefe would have been Trelivings decision but like any major move there would be input from others in management.

 

[Rare Jewel]

wow i didnt know this happened

So Babcock needs to go... (Part 2)

Babcock And Dubas have to go. Dubas doesn’t understand how to build a team. You can’t have all talent and skill with no grit, character and muscle. There has to be a balance. It’s apparent that he doesn’t understand this concept.

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[fahad203]

 

[Rude Dog]

Coach Q is the only candidate that I see really coming in and changing the culture of this team. Having said that why would he come to this team when he has no idea if the president or gm will be here in a year. I would go to jersey

 

[Mess]

Sheldon Keefe couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag and it made me sick to my stomach knowing this guy would get outcoached by everyone every time.

Leafs deserved so much better than Soo Management level abilities to coach and manage this team.

Took him 5 years to come up with the simply idea of putting each one of your $11 mil players on different lines to spread the wealth and build a strong TOP 9 and not all your eggs in top 6 basket. That said it was likely Treliving that told Keefe to get his head out of his ass and suggested he try it.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

In all fairness, Mess, I believe the ultimate blame is on Shanahan. He is the #1 reason for what we are now dealing with. In hindsight I believe that is the main reason Dubas was fired, because he knew this core needed to be broken up but Shanahan did not.

No. I just don't buy that. Dubas was going to be extended. It wasn't until Dubas overplayed his hand: he wanted more executive powers & leveraged PIT offer/family hardship. There is no way that there was a difference of philosophy.

 

[Captain Crunch]

...or he hired a GM that wanted to keep the core.

That’s already been proven it was Shanahan! Lol

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Moving Marner could reap three harder nosed players with his cap hit. Moving him is huge.

The core isn;t working. The idea that somehow all 5 should stick together as if they run the team is bloody embarrassing, They should keep maybe two.

The Leafs actually reflect poorly on the city. "The boring city with no heart". Nice.

It won't reap that. Unless you think this is EA Sports. You can wish things like this, but it takes years to turn that kind of thing around. What team is going to give up "three harder nosed" players for Mitch Marner?

 

[Gallagbi]

That’s already been proven it was Shanahan! Lol

I don't think you understand my point.

Multiple people can have the same viewpoints. It's common for people with similar viewpoints and philosophies to work together.

I'm sure Shanny wanted to keep the core. I'm also sure he'd be drawn to people of a similar mindset in his GM search.

 

[PromisedLand]

Kyper says calls made to Berube, McLellan and Joel Q.

Only candidate I want. Unless Cooper can bring Vasy with him

Q is the only coach that won a cup with avg goal tending without having vezina level effort in net. We gonna have to find our duncan keith though LOL

I am not as high on Berube as some here

I also don't think Gallant is good for the youngsters we are gonna have on our team; Gallant IMO does pretty good with a team that is mostly "vets" we gonna have McMann, Holmberg, Knies, Robertson, Liljegren potentially Cowen and Minten in the mix. Its a retool year as far as I am concerned; Gallant probably not a right fit

 

[Cleetus]

Only candidate I want.

I am not as high on Berube as some here

I also don't think Gallant is good for the youngsters we are gonna have on our team; Gallant IMO does pretty good with a team that is mostly "vets" we gonna have McMann, Holmberg, Knies, Robertson, Liljegren potentially Cowen and Minten in the mix. Its a retool year as far as I am concerned; Gallant probably not a right fit

as long as its not McLennan, I want that guy nowhere near a leafs bench lol

 

[DarkKnight]

Only candidate I want. Unless Cooper can bring Vasy with him

Q is the only coach that won a cup with avg goal tending without having vezina level effort in net. We gonna have to find our duncan keith though LOL

I am not as high on Berube as some here

I also don't think Gallant is good for the youngsters we are gonna have on our team; Gallant IMO does pretty good with a team that is mostly "vets" we gonna have McMann, Holmberg, Knies, Robertson, Liljegren potentially Cowen and Minten in the mix. Its a retool year as far as I am concerned; Gallant probably not a right fit

Agreed, he's paid for what happened, time to be reinstated. It's him or Gallant for me if you can get him.

 

[Cleetus]

Agreed, he's paid for what happened, time to be reinstated. It's him or Gallant for me if you can get him.

id be happy with Gallant, Q, or Berube, think all 3 would be a good hire

 

[notbias]

Sheldon Keefe couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag and it made me sick to my stomach knowing this guy would get outcoached by everyone every time.

Leafs deserved so much better than Soo Management level abilities to coach and manage this team.

Took him 5 years to come up with the simply idea of putting each one of your $11 mil players on different lines to spread the wealth and build a strong TOP 9 and not all you eggs in top 6 basket. That said it was like Treliving that told Keefe to get his head out of his ass and suggested he try it.

"You need to spread out your talent!!!!!!"

At this point, I think we might be one of the only teams who tried to spread out their offensive lines.

You are misinformed about how most teams run their lineups... that is the kindest way I can say this.

 

[PromisedLand]

as long as its not McLennan, I want that guy nowhere near a leafs bench lol

Todd buddy is a fraking loser if Treliving even tries that shit I want Treliving fired on the spot

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Keefe's exit video was great. Took ownership, showed no hard feelings, and wished everyone well.

I'm glad that he was fired overall. Time to try something new. But he's a class act.

 

[PromisedLand]

Agreed, he's paid for what happened, time to be reinstated. It's him or Gallant for me if you can get him.

Gallant has been fortunate IMO with good goalies in his tenure and vets

- Florida had Luongo
- VGK had MAF going super saiyan
- Rangers had Shesterkin

Same with Berube basically vet team with hardly any youngsters and a d-core of Peitrangelo/Parayko/Dunn/Edmundson and Binnington going super saiyan. Once Peitro left and Binnington fall back to earth he was done

I saw a lot of posts talking about Cooper too but his teams have relied heavily on Vasy being a vezina goalie and boasting of art-ross (Kucherov), Rocket (Stamkos), 2-way 50 goal scorer (Point), Norris D-man (Hedman), and stacked bottom 6. Cooper hasn't shown he can get it done without a stacked roster and vezina goalie.

Q on the other hand has shown he can effing make it work with avg D and avg goal tending and semi-stacked roster (doesn't have to be fully stacked). Basically what we have or will have in the future. Leafs are more Hawks like at present than VGK like (during Gallant) and Blues like (during Berube)


I don't care WTF MLSE does, bribe/blackmail/threaten bettman LOL we just gotta find a way to get Q!

Then go get a goalie and trade Marner for a #1D

Marner is not the X-factor in the playoffs, and Leafs just gotta make the playoffs doesn't have to be president or divisional champ with their roster and then let the hardnosed nastiness that can play hockey with speed show up in the playoffs. Marner isn't Patty Kane and he never ever will be gotta get rid of him.

 

[Trapper]

It's a results based business. Keefe didn't deliver and he's done. I hope the players realize that only so many coaches can get fired before management starts looking on the ice. How many of the core 4 have dominated a series? People throw a lot of shade at Marner (leads core 4 in playoff points ) but Zach Hyman just outscored all them combined. You could get seven players at Hymans cap and still be under what the core 4 makes. The next coach better be the top 6 whisperer because after next year, the core 4 will be no more. My only hope is that someday I will get to see a proper rebuild without paying through the nose for players who haven't won anything in the playoffs.

We don’t need to wait for a rebuild, it can be done now if management is just paying attention to the playoffs and have the awareness to see what doesn’t work.

The core 4 should be done. Switch to a core 2. You put the money on a solid, tough, puck moving D corp and finally address a tandem goaltending you can trust.

You can rebuild the forward group with 2 lines around Matthews/Nylander, with Domi,Knies, another 5/6 million scoring forward and a revamped 3rd line.

It doesn’t need to remain same thing that keeps failing unless they want it too.

Add that revamped team to a new coach and go.

 

[Mess]

That’s already been proven it was Shanahan! Lol

Agreed, it was Shanny that claimed the Core 4 were being run back ,well before he hired Treliving.

BT took the GM job knowing his boss already set that table for him. Perhaps now that is has failed again, finally the President's 10 year "Shanaplan" can be set on fire and then buried 10 feet underground.

Getting rid on Keefe was a no brainer, he wouldn't even be in the NHL if his BFF hadn't brought him in from the Soo. BT most like kept Keefe for exactly this reason fully knowing the core 4 would fail and then he needed a front line scapegoat to remove by playing the fire the coach move, before now he can try and fix a flawed President's plan.

If we thought Leafs soft core 4 didn't fit playing the Keefe style of hockey, then none of those 4 are going to like the big, heavy, physical hockey Leafs next coach is likely to deploy.

 

[Strangle]

If the Leafs can deal with the league and the early criticism from some, he is the best qualified for sure.

I don't even know the situation around the controversy at any length I don't follow that sort of stuff often. Was he aware? Were his denials if they exist, credible?

From what I understand, it was brought to his attention that there was some type of inappropriate behavior from a member of staff, he was told that his bosses were aware and would handle it and that he should concentrate on coaching the hockey team

You and I would have done the same thing in our job.

He has nothing to do with it, people think he should have investigated himself, and immediately thought his bosses were covering it up. They think he should have called the cops or something, which is ridiculous.

The victim should have called the cops.

And anyone on the team could have called the cops.

He’s the coach, he did his duty by discussing it with the people who he should have discussed it with.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Marner has to go too, there needs to be more drastic changes to make a difference