Player Discussion Shea Weber - Dear Dad Edition

[Habs]

I’m a big Weber fan but I don’t think he would ever pit up ppg type points, he is too risk averse. Guys like Reilly are willing to take chances and give up goals against in order to produce. I think Weber understands that a goal prevented is the same as a goal scored so I don’t see him getting caught deep, risky pinches, all the things that the top scoring d men do these days.

Some of these guys are essentially forwards lining up as d men. You ask Burns to actually play a traditional d man role - crazy things like D zone starts - and not the rover role he plays today and he is a 60 point guy.

The reason I used Rielly as an example, is because he only cracked 30 pts one time until the Leaf young guns came into their own. Then he laid down a decent season. Before that, he didn't live up to the hype. I think Weber would put up the same monster points, they have that much talent spread around the line.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The reason I used Rielly as an example, is because he only cracked 30 pts one time until the Leaf young guns came into their own. Then he laid down a decent season. Before that, he didn't live up to the hype. I think Weber would put up the same monster points, they have that much talent spread around the line.

Rielly would struggle to produce the same kind of production on the Habs roster for sure.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I like Weber, but man does he ever look clunky on the pp.

Not enough mobility and creativity with the puck to set up the play in the zone or rush the puck up ice. Often turns the puck over himself or passes the puck to teammates in a bad position for a turnover. Is slow with the puck causing the d to set up and pressure us into turnovers.

Petry and Drouin have also not been the greatest QBs. Hopefully one of Domi, Reilly, or Kotkaniemi can step up and lead in that role.

We really need a bonafide pmd on the left side, for like 18 months ago

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Can't believe some people are calling Rielly the best D so far this season. Ignoring Context 101.

Id take old man mountain over Rielly any day

 

[Habs]

Rielly would struggle to produce the same kind of production on the Habs roster for sure.

He would be -33 and asking Benn for tips.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He would be -33 and asking Benn for tips.

Bet you if we drafted Rielly, we would of traded him cause he didn't reach his potential.

 

[Habs]

Bet you if we drafted Rielly, we would of traded him cause he didn't reach his potential.

Of course, thats how you build a contender I hear.

 

[Born in 1909]

He would be -33 and asking Benn for tips.

I realize that this is the Weber thread, but Benn has really been putting up a streak of uncharacteristic big points lately...

What's up with that?

 

[Deebs]

Can't believe some people are calling Rielly the best D so far this season. Ignoring Context 101.

Id take old man mountain over Rielly any day

As a complete D man, for sure. I do like Morgan and was able to watch him as a junior quite a bit. Excellent young player who will continue to put up some big numbers with that group in T.O.

 

[Habs]

I realize that this is the Weber thread, but Benn has really been putting up a streak of uncharacteristic big points lately...

What's up with that?

So true, he has been really good lately.

 

[japhi]

I realize that this is the Weber thread, but Benn has really been putting up a streak of uncharacteristic big points lately...

What's up with that?

Weber basically takes all of the tough assignments, 25 mins a game and it allows the other guys to slot into easier, more productive minutes. Basically everyone got better including Price when he returned. The following might be a stretch but I don’t think its a fluke that Suter and Josi had their best seasons with him on the team, he flat out lifts the whole d core probably more then any other d man in the league.

The Benn points are a fluke but he looks like an NHL dman again with Weber back.

 

[George Lebay]

Would you take Subban for Weber today ? just wondering..

 

[Vachon23]

Would you take Subban for Weber today ? just wondering..

For 1 season, I prefer Weber but Subban is younger so I don't know

 

[Frank Drebin]

Would you take Subban for Weber today ? just wondering..

Let's not go there

 

[Deebs]

 

[MaxDummy]

The following might be a stretch but I don’t think its a fluke that Suter and Josi had their best seasons with him on the team

Not only is it a stretch, its also untrue..

Both guys are still playing at the same level they were with Weber.

 

[japhi]

Not only is it a stretch, its also untrue..

Both guys are still playing at the same level they were with Weber.

Ok, maybe. Suter was one vote away from winning the Norris and I think he played most of that year with Weber. And Josi was a finalist playing with Weber.

Point stands, there is lots of evidence that guys have career years with him, and he can play with almost anyone and produce. He’s playing like a Norris candidate beside a guy that might not even crack the Preds or Wild lineup much less play top pair.

 

[MaxDummy]

Point stands, there is lots of evidence that guys have career years with him

Yes? I don't see that. Probably part of his intengibles or his aura.

 

[japhi]

Yes? I don't see that. Probably part of his intengibles or his aura.

Or, guys having career years with him like I pointed out. Making players around you better is not an intangible. If you don’t seen that you aren’t watching the games. His partners the past few years have been Mete, Kulak and Benn. You can put an AHL d with him and he looks top 4. Has nothing to do with aura, he flat out makes guys around him better.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Or, guys having career years with him like I pointed out. Making players around you better is not an intangible. If you don’t seen that you aren’t watching the games. His partners the past few years have been Mete, Kulak and Benn. You can put an AHL d with him and he looks top 4. Has nothing to do with aura, he flat out makes guys around him better.

It is actually. None of the guys you named look like top 4 over a long period of time... for a few games ? sure, just like Komisarek, Gill, Spacek and some others looked like top 4 D at times.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

We don't get him nearly enough looks on the PP. We have one of the best point shots in the league and we don't use it. It amazes me.

 

[DangerDave]

Ok, maybe. Suter was one vote away from winning the Norris and I think he played most of that year with Weber. And Josi was a finalist playing with Weber.

Point stands, there is lots of evidence that guys have career years with him, and he can play with almost anyone and produce. He’s playing like a Norris candidate beside a guy that might not even crack the Preds or Wild lineup much less play top pair.

I don't think he makes players around him better per say. It's kinda just what happens when you pair 2 fantastic dmen together. His stay at home style allows his teammates to focus a bit more on the offense as well.

 

[Legend123]

I have to admit Weber has been downright amazing and has made our team look so much better. Good job, Webs! You give us hope.

 

[japhi]

I don't think he makes players around him better per say. It's kinda just what happens when you pair 2 fantastic dmen together. His stay at home style allows his teammates to focus a bit more on the offense as well.

Really? Maybe I’m watching different games then you guys but our whole defense looks substantially better with him in the lineup. Mete IMO would not even be in the NHL if Weber wasn’t playing. There is no other top d in the league that plays with guys like Kulak, Benn and Mete. Not even close, there is literally no comparable pairings in the NHL of an AHL player with a top 10 nhl d man.

Happy to be proven wrong. I’ve given lots of examples of why I think he makes players better, can anyone support their position that he doens’t make players better? I’m not an advanced stats guy but my understanding is his advanced stats as a Hab are ridiculously good.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Really? Maybe I’m watching different games then you guys but our whole defense looks substantially better with him in the lineup. Mete IMO would not even be in the NHL if Weber wasn’t playing. There is no other top d in the league that plays with guys like Kulak, Benn and Mete. Not even close, there is literally no comparable pairings in the NHL of an AHL player with a top 10 nhl d man.

Happy to be proven wrong. I’ve given lots of examples of why I think he makes players better, can anyone support their position that he doens’t make players better? I’m not an advanced stats guy but my understanding is his advanced stats as a Hab are ridiculously good.

sure does... but that doesnt mean making other players better is his thing you know... the bolded happen to any team that gets a good player back, it's not a Weber specialty ot anything.

Besides, he's not making anyone better on the Habs, at least I havent seen anyone argue that this or that LD was better cause of Weber... so Josi ? Suter ? they're doing damn fine without him.

Sure Mete looks better right now... but hey! he looked great at the beginning of last season too...