Rumor: Shattenkirk
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The asking price is 2 1st round picks and a top prospect ? Good luck with that St.Louis
Armstrong after the draft said it was too high.
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/sweeney-lack-bs-deals-i-wasnt-trading-david-pastrnak just in case you wanted to see for yourself I would have been very happy with Pasternak and 29th or 14th plus spooner and I probably highly overates shattenkirk.
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The entire 2 firsts and Pastrňák thing has got no basis. Sweeney made some comments, people have mashed it into one and ran with it.
The price for Shattenkirk is high, and rightfully so. If Lucic returns the 13th, a player equivalent to a late first and Colin Miller... there is Shattenkirk's value. Without an extension.
The price for Shattenkirk is high, and rightfully so. If Lucic returns the 13th, a player equivalent to a late first and Colin Miller... there is Shattenkirk's value. Without an extension.
29th and Pastrnak would've been fine after the fact.
Taking the 29th pick away from Sweeney would've saved him from himself.
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The notion of the two 1sts AND Pastrnak has been disputed several times, as has the Larkin talk (which was something Armstrong asked for a year ago before he had such a great rookie season, not at this draft).
I'm sure his asking price was/is high. It should be. Shattenkirk has a ton of value, whether in a trade for futures or as a defenseman for the Blues this upcoming season. I'd like to see him moved for a forward, but the production from our defense is going to take a hit without him.
I'm sure his asking price was/is high. It should be. Shattenkirk has a ton of value, whether in a trade for futures or as a defenseman for the Blues this upcoming season. I'd like to see him moved for a forward, but the production from our defense is going to take a hit without him.
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Why not use the Boychuk deal as a comp? Boychuk was a really good #2 D for Boston with 1 year left on his contract and he netted two 2nd round picks from the Isles.
That deal seems more... apples to apples.
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1. because he's way older. 2. he was declining. 3. cap issues. 4. these aren't related at all.
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He wasn't declining, in fact he probably played his best hockey the following year in Long Island.
He is older but 1 year left on a contract is low risk.
The Bruins weren't in cap trouble yet. And if you want to talk about cap implications, remember the Bruins retained money in the Lucic deal. That has value.
A #2 RHD with 1 year remaining isn't relevant to another #2 RHD with 1 year remaining but one of the league's premier power forwards who was dealt with money retained is somehow an exact match?
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Why did they sign declining Ladd to that contract?
Shattenkirk is in his early prime, his cap his is just 4.25M.
50 point RD in his early prime is worth more than a 50 point winger.
JB should have been traded at the draft or soon after, not like they did.
Re: the article and listening to anything Armstrong says publicly...
On Feb 27, 2014 the St. Louis Post-Dispatch published this quote, "Because of injuries, Jaro has been our starting goaltender for exactly two playoff games,” Armstrong said. “He hasn’t failed. He’s going to have the opportunity to show what he’s capable of."
On Feb 28, 2014 Armstrong traded Halak for Ryan Miller
Talk is cheap.
On Feb 27, 2014 the St. Louis Post-Dispatch published this quote, "Because of injuries, Jaro has been our starting goaltender for exactly two playoff games,” Armstrong said. “He hasn’t failed. He’s going to have the opportunity to show what he’s capable of."
On Feb 28, 2014 Armstrong traded Halak for Ryan Miller
Talk is cheap.
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Armstrong doesn't have what it takes to get a deal that improves his team. Now he's just gonna float in limbo hoping someone sees Shattenkirk as the solution to their problems and try and extort a good piece out of them only to realize they won't have what he needs for anything but "value". Then he's gonna try and BS his owner and fans around his average at best return and make up excuses for how it's not his fault this has happened to him for his entire career.
Lucic was signed at market value, Shattenkirk is signed significantly below market value. You want to argue retention, then Blues retaining $750k-$1m on Shattenkirk would make a direct comparable.
Shattenkirk is a premier player, Boychuk is a talented player but would never have the value of Shattenkirk. 45-50 point defenseman, 3 years younger and a position of need for many teams. That excludes the fact that Boston were trading Boychuk at a time when they weren't wanting salary in return and right at the start of the season, which is the worst possible time to refuse to take salary in return.
As you said, Lucic is a premier power forward, Shattenkirk is a premier RH PMD... You're going to argue that a power forward hold much more value than a 45-50 point defenseman?
Whatever the case, if someone isn't willing to pay the price then he won't be traded.
TLEH
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Shattenkirk is a 27 year old PMD that's a right shot and every GM in the league gets their panties wet over PMD RD because they are hard to find, just in the same way that premier power forwards are hard to find, I find that comparison to be better than an aging #2D that plays a physical game that takes a toll on your body when you get older, and what do you mean it wasn't cap related, Chiarelli even says it himself? "In Chiarelli's view, the Bruins had to make this trade now because of the return he was able to get for Boychuk and to make sure the Bruins have flexibility to be cap-compliant for this season and beyond."
https://www.nhl.com/news/bruins-reluctantly-trade-boychuk-to-islanders/c-733032
https://www.nhl.com/news/bruins-reluctantly-trade-boychuk-to-islanders/c-733032
Boychucks best two years of his career have been with the Isles... he's not declining. Not every player declines when they hit 30 like HF would have you believe.
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Does anyone else find it crazy that Sweeney, 1st round Draft Reputation and all, can both be ridiculed for his asinine mismanagement of assets in the Hamilton Trade yet be the creator of the benchmark as far as 1 year Rentals go in bringing back such a great return...the guy is a serious conundrum
