Proposal: Shattenkirk to Boston
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If the Bruins pulled this off I would take back everything I've ever said about Sweeney. As long as he waives McQuaid to make room for Shattenkirk
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Right side with the emergence of carlo and macavoy, ogara etc in the pipeline shatt would block a spot and take money that could be spent on spooner pasta carlo etc. ld is much more of a concern only a few more years of chara then krug is our best ld.
Pia8988
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Boston won't be able to pay him in that deal, St louis would have to take money back as well.
I also agree I'm not on board with potentially paying Shattenkirk 7+x7. I think he helps the team in the short term, don't think they need him for the long term though.
I also agree I'm not on board with potentially paying Shattenkirk 7+x7. I think he helps the team in the short term, don't think they need him for the long term though.
Agree with both statements.
He's not really a need anymore. With the great play of Carlo at RD and McAvoy ready next year.
I'm OK with the talent Boston has collected the last couple drafts (Carlo, McAvoy, Zbořil, Lauzon and Lindgren). Just need 1 of Zbořil, Lauzon or Lindgren to pan out as a top 4 D and we should be set IMO.
More interested in Fowler as a LD, than Shattenkirk. His salary demands would hamper Boston down the road.
wintersej
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TLDR; - Backes got the money earmarked for Shattenkirk and Carlo took the roster spot earmarked for Shattenkirk.
STL fans need to understand that Carlo is like our Parayko. Except he is 19. With the Bruins top remaining prospect being a RD in the mold of Shattenkirk in McAvoy, the amount of $$$ shuffling required to fit Shattenkirk gets harder and harder to understand.
Boston would have to find a way to ship out two of McQuaid, Kevan Miller, Hayes, or Beleskey to re-sign Shattenkirk. Thats not impossible, but that's something I would want in place before the deal as Spooner + Lauzon is a pretty steep price for a rental.
STL fans need to understand that Carlo is like our Parayko. Except he is 19. With the Bruins top remaining prospect being a RD in the mold of Shattenkirk in McAvoy, the amount of $$$ shuffling required to fit Shattenkirk gets harder and harder to understand.
Boston would have to find a way to ship out two of McQuaid, Kevan Miller, Hayes, or Beleskey to re-sign Shattenkirk. Thats not impossible, but that's something I would want in place before the deal as Spooner + Lauzon is a pretty steep price for a rental.
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Out of curiousity. Bruins fans, assuming the following (hypothetically)...
- St Louis has interest in Chara
- St Louis has cap space to fit Chara in
...what are the odds that Sweeney would be willing to trade Chara or Chara plus to get Shattenkirk or Shattenkirk plus? Or would it only make sense to add Shattenkirk if the Bruins also keep Chara?
I was thinking the Bruins would be trying to get younger and take a long term approach. I don't know about that anymore, seeing as they're actually doing well.
- St Louis has interest in Chara
- St Louis has cap space to fit Chara in
...what are the odds that Sweeney would be willing to trade Chara or Chara plus to get Shattenkirk or Shattenkirk plus? Or would it only make sense to add Shattenkirk if the Bruins also keep Chara?
I was thinking the Bruins would be trying to get younger and take a long term approach. I don't know about that anymore, seeing as they're actually doing well.
wintersej
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You will certainly find some Bruins fans that would take you up on that.
But, doubt the front office would.
I think they are trying to do both. They view as their next window as being in the next few years as the kids mature, but before Bergeron/Krejci/Marchand/Backes are too old. The last two seasons were the re-tool of gathering lots of picks (those Lucic and Hamilton deals are looking very good right now) and trying to rebuild the defense. Carlo (from the Boychuk trade) coming along faster than expected has probably put them ahead of where they expected to be.
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I like the idea of Shattenkirk for Spooner+, although losing Lauzon would sting. Cap issues and the potential of losing Shattenkirk next summer are also added risks that lower his value for the Bruins. Spooner has proven himself to be a good player, but I doubt his long term viability in Boston as a center.
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Chara accomplished a miracle in the off season: he trained specifically to improve mobility & foot speed... and succeeded. He doesn't have 100% of it back, but it's 80-85% or so.
So... He is very close to old self Chara... He is mentoring Carlo perfectly... Chara/Carlo are by far our best D pair, eating 23/24 minutes a night and are playing at high level. It benefits the Bruins at all levels.
All this considered, Chara should stay with the Bruins, unless we get an offer we truly can't refuse. 1 year of Shattenkirk is not that.
The best piece one can get out of Boston in a trade is indeed Spooner. Great young player, but expendable. Him + a good prospect + a pick (not a 1st) is the maximum package teams could expect the Bruins to offer in trades. IMO, obviously.
They would not consider trading Chara when things are going well and probably not unless he asked to be traded.
I don't like it as a Bruins fan. I think Lauzon is going to be very good, this is too high of a price for 3/4 of a year of Shattenkirk who will block some of the up and coming D if they re-sign him and it will be a horrible trade if they don't re-sign him.
If you want that kind of return then you are going to have to take back salary like McQuaid and Hayes and add a draft pick or prospect or something.
The Bruins are doing well but they are not contenders, I don't think would make a deal that a contender would make like giving up the future for a few months of a player, not without other things happening in the deal too.
I understand if that doesn't work for St Louis.
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Honestly, they need a partner for Krug that isn't Adam McQuaid or Kevan Miller. Same type of defenseman, but overall better.
Not sure if Shattenkirk fits that well with Krug, but with the Chara/Carlo combo, I see Julien hard pressed to split that up, so the goal should be finding an adequate partner for Krug. (Trouba would have been ideal, but I just don't see that happening given team needs and price tag to acquire).
Not sure if Shattenkirk fits that well with Krug, but with the Chara/Carlo combo, I see Julien hard pressed to split that up, so the goal should be finding an adequate partner for Krug. (Trouba would have been ideal, but I just don't see that happening given team needs and price tag to acquire).
BruinDust
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Huh?
At a 23-man roster, even with Hayes, Kevan and McQuaid still on it, leaves the Bruins with over a million in cap space left.
I'd do this deal for Boston in a heart-beat. Who cares about long-term need, you can make other trades. Maybe signing Shattenkirk allows you to move other assets.
A B-level prospect and guy in Spooner who doesn't fit in Boston anyway, and will be looking for decent money next year for a legit top offensive D-man. Bruins would be the team walking away with the more valuable package here, wouldn't that be nice for a change.
If Sweeney was made this offer and declined he should be fired.
That being said I don't see how adding another mid-range left-shot C/LW really helps the Blues. They can do better for Shattenkirk IMO.
Pia8988
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I'm talking about an extension. They can fit his cap hit this year, but they can't afford to pay him 7+ next year without shedding significant cap space. They only have about 12~ million in space and a bit more depending on how the cap reacts over the next season. Shattenkirk and Pastrnak eat all the up alone.
BruinDust
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Agree, next year is a tough squeeze. It can be done but it would mean Spooner is gone, and 2 out of 3 between Hayes/McQuaid/Kevan are off the books entirely.
Even still Bruins would be tight to the cap.
Move out all 3 of, and no Spooner, and Bruins can handle a Pastrnak extension AND and Shattenkirk extension.
Not easy to do, but doable in theory.
JRull86
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Doable, but they'd be up against the cap with no real room for improvement afterwards. Granted a lot of their "core" would be locked up long term, but I'm not sure that's the right move for them. Not to mention their RD pipeline would be entirely blocked.
