Speculation: Shattenkirk & Fowler?

[LetsGoBLUES91]

They are likely waiting on Schwartz' arbitration to see what money they have to spend.

The Blues asking price is high for Shattenkirk because he's a stud defender. They aren't giving him away. Hell with the departures of Backes and Brouwer and with Steen due at least a pay decrease, they can probably sign Shattenkirk long term.

This isn't Oshie. They don't need to trade him and they aren't going to do it for the sake of doing something.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Who thinks these guys last until the deadline with drastically reduced rates just so they can be dealt?

fowler has two years left on his deal, people want him for a discount bin price, the ducks want fair value for a no.2 dman if they don't get that they can keep him

 

[McPhatty00]

fowler has two years left on his deal, people want him for a discount bin price, the ducks want fair value for a no.2 dman if they don't get that they can keep him

He'll look good in an LV uni.

 

[dracom]

He'll look good in an LV uni.

these kind of posts are the most petty. "Take our bad offers or just lose your player for nothing haha"

 

[Duck Off]

these kind of posts are the most petty. "Take our bad offers or just lose your player for nothing haha"

Yep. Beyond lame.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

July 13th... still 2 and a half months till camp starts and Blues/Ducks are in no rush

 

[McPhatty00]

I kid. Seriously, beyond a fan response, what does Murray figure to get in return for Fowler and to a much lesser extent Armstrong with Shattenkirk? Shatts couldn't get the 2 1sts he wanted at the draft. Fowler couldn't get the single 1st.

 

[mytduxfan*]

And what's the point of your OP? You are asking a question if their GM will purposely hold on to them, just to trade them at a lower rate. If that was their plan, they'd just accept the value now.

He'll look good in an LV uni.

I think the agenda of this thread is pretty clear with comments like these.

We're not giving away our players for nothing. Get over it kiddo.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I kid. Seriously, beyond a fan response, what does Murray figure to get in return for Fowler and to a much lesser extent Armstrong with Shattenkirk? Shatts couldn't get the 2 1sts he wanted at the draft. Fowler couldn't get the single 1st.

And yet Edmonton agreed to Hall...

 

[mytduxfan*]

I kid. Seriously, beyond a fan response, what does Murray figure to get in return for Fowler and to a much lesser extent Armstrong with Shattenkirk? Shatts couldn't get the 2 1sts he wanted at the draft. Fowler couldn't get the single 1st.

You'll have to ask Murray and Armstrong that question and let us know the answer when you do. Gotta admit, coming on to a forum full of hockey fans and say "beyond a fan response" has to be one of the most asinine things I've seen anyone do on HFBoards. Congrats, I guess.

P.S. No evidence to suggest that Fowler couldn't get a single 1st. Dreger and co. just said that it might come down to who's willing to put 8th or 9th OA on the table. Didn't mention whether other pieces were involved. Could very well have been roster player + prospect + 1st, and the problem was the BUF/MTL weren't willing to give up 2016 1sts only 2017. We just don't know. BM has since said that nothing was close.

 

[KirkOut]

OP what's your team ? How about Shattenkirk to your team for your biggest, longest cap dump + a 2nd round pick? It seems like that is what you're angling for anyway

 

[Ducks in a row]

Fowler should only be traded for a good win now piece because we are a win now team. Picks and prospects don't help the Ducks so they are not nearly enough.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

With the Schwartz contract out of the way, does that clear up any uncertainty around something like this?

To STL- Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Mark Fayne
To EDM- Kevin Shattenkirk, Jori Lehtera, Ty Rattie

$9.675M out for St. Louis, $9M for the Oilers, Edmonton can afford both the smidgen in extra cap hit and the extension Shattenkirk will need.

Oilers:

LUCIC ($6M) MCDAVID ($925K) EBERLE ($6M)
POULIOT ($4M) DRAISAITL ($925K) PULJUJARVI ($925K)
MAROON ($1.5M) LEHTERA ($4.75M) YAKUPOV ($2.5M)
HENDRICKS ($1.8M) LETESTU (1.8M) KASSIAN (1.5M)
LANDER ($987K) PAKARINEN ($725K)

SEKERA ($5.5M) SHATTENKIRK ($4.25M)
KLEFBOM ($4.2M) LARSSON ($4.2M)
DAVIDSON ($1.4M) GRYBA ($800K)
OESTERLE ($585K)

TALBOT ($4.2M)
GUSTAVSSON ($800K)

9 million in cap space, easily enough to re-sign Shattenkirk and Draisaitl- the only important contracts for summer 2017. Oilers would have a solid farm system with Nurse, Reinhart, Benson, Rattie etc.

St. Louis looks something like this:

SCHWARTZ ($5.3M) RNH ($6M) TARASENKO ($7.5M)
STEEN ($5.8M) STASTNY ($7M) PERRON ($3.75M)
FABBRI ($894K) BERGLUND ($3.7M) JASKIN ($1M)
UPSHALL ($900K) BRODZIAK ($950K) REAVES ($1.1M)
PAAJARVI ($700K) FERRARO ($700K)

BOUWMEESTER ($5.4M) PIETRANGELO ($6.5M)
GUNNARSSON ($2.9M) PARAYKO ($858K)
EDMUNDSON ($1M) FAYNE ($3.625M)
BORTUZZO ($1M)

ALLEN ($2.35M)
HUTTON ($1.1M)

Leaves Blues with $2.5M in cap space to make moves if they need to at the deadline. However, they have two solid Cs, a great top four and I think Fayne would thrive as a #5 in a shutdown role.

 

[KirkOut]

stop trying to give us Fayne. If we are taking back somebody like that, then Lehtera's cap hit doesn't look so bad after all. Lehtera is actually a decent middle 6 center, he's just overpaid. Fayne under no circumstances would actually be a regular contributer to the team.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

You're getting a young top two center for a package built around an expiring contract and your complaint is Mark Fayne? Oi. You're looking that gift horse so far down the mouth you can see its tonsils.

 

[wintersej]

And yet Edmonton agreed to Hall...

You keep coming back to this. Even if its true, Shattenkirk ruined it. How many other deals Shattenkirk ruins with his willingness to re-sign is unknown. Even a signed Shattenkirk will NOT get an equivalent return to Hall. The team that was most willing to give up an overpayment for a D already made their move.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Again, why not something around this:


Fowler
Svechnikov


Shattenkirk @ 6.5-7M/7


Tatar
Jurco/Pulkkinen

Adds if necessary (I'm sure depending on which team you homer for)

Blues get the inferior dman on a similar cap hit, but is young and LHD, and they get a potential C prospect/ top 6 LW prospect to replace Steen either as C or LW when he walks.

Wings get the coveted young RHD PMD that put up better/top P/60 over the last three years than anyone not named Karlsson.

Ducks get forwards in exchange for their surplus of dmen: a young top 6 LW on a good deal that is Schwartz-lite, and a PP specialist forward that can play on their third line.

My logic is that Shattenkirk (signed) is worth a good player+, and Fowler is worth slightly less. DET would go for Fowler, but Shatty is (and likely always will be) the better player that better fills their needs as a righty.

The Blues want a top 6 C that could be their future #1, but settle for Svechnikov and a LHD that can play for Bouwmeester in the top 4. Ducks get under the internal cap and trade their surplus D for a young scoring forward. The Wings are finally able to address a glaring problem on their back-end with a young #2/1B Dman.

 

[BlueDream]

The Blues don't need Cam Fowler.

We would have Fowler, Bouwmeester, Gunnarsson and Edmundson on the left side. With Lindbohm in the minors. We don't need that.

The possibility of the Blues getting involved in a 3-way trade with Fowler is slim because it makes no sense. I mean a 3-way trade isn't happening period, but you get the point. Value favors the Blues big time in that proposal, but it really doesn't solve our needs.

I'd rather take Fayne in the Edmonton deal.

 

[crowi]

Fowler is terrible, please don't make proposals about him....

 

[tomd]

Fowler is terrible, please don't make proposals about him....

not a particularly helpful statement. He is far from terrible. I hope you were jesting for your own credibility.

 

[Pop147258]

Again, why not something around this:


Fowler
Svechnikov


Shattenkirk @ 6.5-7M/7


Tatar
Jurco/Pulkkinen

Adds if necessary (I'm sure depending on which team you homer for)

Blues get the inferior dman on a similar cap hit, but is young and LHD, and they get a potential C prospect/ top 6 LW prospect to replace Steen either as C or LW when he walks.

Wings get the coveted young RHD PMD that put up better/top P/60 over the last three years than anyone not named Karlsson.

Ducks get forwards in exchange for their surplus of dmen: a young top 6 LW on a good deal that is Schwartz-lite, and a PP specialist forward that can play on their third line.

My logic is that Shattenkirk (signed) is worth a good player+, and Fowler is worth slightly less. DET would go for Fowler, but Shatty is (and likely always will be) the better player that better fills their needs as a righty.

The Blues want a top 6 C that could be their future #1, but settle for Svechnikov and a LHD that can play for Bouwmeester in the top 4. Ducks get under the internal cap and trade their surplus D for a young scoring forward. The Wings are finally able to address a glaring problem on their back-end with a young #2/1B Dman.

Switch svetch to sheahen and deal

 

[Bubblhead00]

Im all about trading Shattenkirk for Fowler or the 3 way suggested.

Yes it loads up the Blues left side. But you could trade Gunnerson. Or let 1 of Edmundson or Gunnerson play opposite side for a year.

Then expose Bouwmeesters contact at expansion draft.

 

[bluetuned]

With the Schwartz contract out of the way, does that clear up any uncertainty around something like this?

To STL- Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Mark Fayne
To EDM- Kevin Shattenkirk, Jori Lehtera, Ty Rattie

$9.675M out for St. Louis, $9M for the Oilers, Edmonton can afford both the smidgen in extra cap hit and the extension Shattenkirk will need.

Oilers:

LUCIC ($6M) MCDAVID ($925K) EBERLE ($6M)
POULIOT ($4M) DRAISAITL ($925K) PULJUJARVI ($925K)
MAROON ($1.5M) LEHTERA ($4.75M) YAKUPOV ($2.5M)
HENDRICKS ($1.8M) LETESTU (1.8M) KASSIAN (1.5M)
LANDER ($987K) PAKARINEN ($725K)

SEKERA ($5.5M) SHATTENKIRK ($4.25M)
KLEFBOM ($4.2M) LARSSON ($4.2M)
DAVIDSON ($1.4M) GRYBA ($800K)
OESTERLE ($585K)

TALBOT ($4.2M)
GUSTAVSSON ($800K)

9 million in cap space, easily enough to re-sign Shattenkirk and Draisaitl- the only important contracts for summer 2017. Oilers would have a solid farm system with Nurse, Reinhart, Benson, Rattie etc.

St. Louis looks something like this:

SCHWARTZ ($5.3M) RNH ($6M) TARASENKO ($7.5M)
STEEN ($5.8M) STASTNY ($7M) PERRON ($3.75M)
FABBRI ($894K) BERGLUND ($3.7M) JASKIN ($1M)
UPSHALL ($900K) BRODZIAK ($950K) REAVES ($1.1M)
PAAJARVI ($700K) FERRARO ($700K)

BOUWMEESTER ($5.4M) PIETRANGELO ($6.5M)
GUNNARSSON ($2.9M) PARAYKO ($858K)
EDMUNDSON ($1M) FAYNE ($3.625M)
BORTUZZO ($1M)

ALLEN ($2.35M)
HUTTON ($1.1M)

Leaves Blues with $2.5M in cap space to make moves if they need to at the deadline. However, they have two solid Cs, a great top four and I think Fayne would thrive as a #5 in a shutdown role.

But Shattenkirk isn't interested in signing an extension with Edmonton. If he was open to that, Taylor Hall would be on the Blues right now.

 

[bluetuned]

The Blues don't need Cam Fowler.

We would have Fowler, Bouwmeester, Gunnarsson and Edmundson on the left side. With Lindbohm in the minors. We don't need that.

The possibility of the Blues getting involved in a 3-way trade with Fowler is slim because it makes no sense. I mean a 3-way trade isn't happening period, but you get the point. Value favors the Blues big time in that proposal, but it really doesn't solve our needs.

I'd rather take Fayne in the Edmonton deal.

Fowler is better than Bouwmeester and Gunnarsson at this point, so it does make sense for the Blues, even if it creates a bit of a logjam. If Shattenkirk was a lefty, the Blues would have no interest in trading him or letting him walk as a UFA, so swapping him for an upgrade at LD does make sense.

The point of trading Shattenkirk is because they're stacked at RD, not on D in general.

 

[PAZ]

Has there been any insider information on how the Shatty negotiations are going? I'm curious because with the emergence of Parayko, I imagine it might be a bit harder to sign Shatty to a decent long term contract.