Confirmed with Link: Sharks trade 20th pick to Sabres for 27th and D Michael Kesselring (RFA)

[The AntiBob]

His afp projected contract is 2x2.8

 

[Hodge]

Now get Trouba at free agency and you have some sort of large defensive group taking care of young core.

Dickinson - Trouba
Mukhamadullin - Kesselring
Orlov - Desharnais

Rumor is Desharnais is going back to Edmonton

 

[ChompChomp]

I think someone is going to come in and hate on this trade, we've gone too long in this thread without any negativity lol

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

So overall value around a 2nd. Seems somewhat pricey. Grier must not have anyone in particular he was targeting at 20

I think the Sharks go D-man maybe even RDman with the 2nd Overall and the 20th could have been a Forward but since San Jose has them in spades especially young ones...no need...27th they go D-man

 

[sampler]

The other downside is continuing to have the worst defense in the league depending on what else Mike has up his sleeve. Also may block Pohlkamp. There is some risk.

Well, if this is the only move he makes, I would agree that its not enough. Kesselring is very unlikely to be a top pair guy, so we still need a clear #1 in the Hronek, Fox, Werenski, etc ilk.

I don't see this as blocking Pohlkmap for a few reasons. First, Pohlkamp is an offensive defenseman with a great shot, while Kesselring is more two-way bigger guy. They play a different game as Pohlkmap is very unlikely to be a 3rd pairing defensive guy (he's more of a PP QB, high scoring guy or a bust), while kesselring could end up more of a servicable 3rd pair guy.

Second, Pohlkmap likely needs a little time to marinate in the AHL and get his pro feet wet (like at least 40+ AHL games). The sharks had literally zero RHD signed going this summer. Now, we'll have 1. Even getting a top pair RHD would give us just two. Pohlkamp will not be blocked by this move. I kinda see Kesselring like Desharnais but with way better offensive upside.

The key question is: what is the downside? Say he signs a 3x3M deal and then stinks or gets injured more. The downside then is losing 7 spots in the draft and paying 3M to a #7/IR Dman. Neither of those is a big downside nor does either of those stop Grier from upgrading the D further as needed.

It's also clear that Grier is unlikely to want to commit big $ and term just yet. This move is kinda like acquiring Walman. Low risk, high reward potential, where worst case scenario, you basically end up just where you currently are (minus a few mil in cap space and a few draft slots). Best case is a big 6'5, middle pair RHD for the next 5-10 years.

yes please on that coin flip.

p.s.: For those who know me, I am no lover of MG. I have found his trading and signings to be very poor. But, I call it as I see it, and I really like this move.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

I think someone is going to come in and hate on this trade, we've gone too long in this thread without any negativity lol

Kessellring was a good pick up to move down 7 spots...pretty good I'm thinking

 

[mogambomoroo]

Rumor is Desharnais is going back to Edmonton

Well that would suck, hopefully stays a rumor. I think he looked like a solid locker room presence to add to his solid 3rd pair & PK time.

 

[ChompChomp]

Kessellring was a good pick up to move down 7 spots...pretty good I'm thinking

Oh I agree. Just waiting for the reaction of our posters who are the self-proclaimed prospect experts. I wonder what their reaction is.

 

[Surfer Dude]

So overall value around a 2nd. Seems somewhat pricey. Grier must not have anyone in particular he was targeting at 20

mid 2nds aren't big deal at all imo. his value was like 1st in previous trade with Buffalo.

this is an excellent deal imo.

 

[themelkman]

Better than Schneider, lol

even more insane is that Schneider probably costs more than this

 

[TheBeard]

It's also clear that Grier is unlikely to want to commit big $ and term just yet.

This is the biggest risk (aside from the potential of who may be there at 20) is if Grier isn’t signing long term or Kesserling bets on himself, his market value skyrockets with a decent season. Not a bad problem to have but at some point Grier is going to need players outplaying their contracts.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

mid 2nds aren't big deal at all imo. his value was like 1st in previous trade with Buffalo.

this is an excellent deal imo.

The more I think about it, the more I like the deal. I do feel like Kesselring will bounce back with solid ice time, which he will get in SJ

 

[mogambomoroo]

This is the biggest risk (aside from the potential of who may be there at 20) is if Grier isn’t signing long term or Kesserling bets on himself, his market value skyrockets with a decent season. Not a bad problem to have but at some point Grier is going to need players outplaying their contracts.

If they want the cup one day, this is crucial.

 

[themelkman]

Oh I agree. Just waiting for the reaction of our posters who are the self-proclaimed prospect experts. I wonder what their reaction is.

I am no expert but it does seem like we could end up moving down a tier here.

Wheelers 1-3 tiers are 22 players.

 

[sampler]

I doubt Grier picks at 27. I think that pick will ultimately get packaged for a top RHD.

The cool thing is that 20 and 27 likely carry a similar value in the larger context of a big deal involving a top 6F, 1st, and top prospect. I don't think teams make big distinctions between 20th and 27th picks in those kind of blockbusters.

Grier's summer is far from over. But, he filled the first of 3 holes on the D already and paid next to nothing.

......Now, I will go ahead and hate on this deal... here yah go: The sharks still lack an established top 4Dman on the entire roster. So, grier still sucks....

.... The Tao and the life force are back in balance....

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The more I think about it, the more I like the deal. I do feel like Kesselring will bounce back with solid ice time, which he will get in SJ

The issue with Kesselring is going to be health. The injuries that knocked him out last season are those that nobody would be surprised if it was a recurring issue. It'll be interesting to see what kind of contract follows this. Seems like a 3-4 year deal makes sense for both sides around 3.5-4 mil.

 

[Surfer Dude]

The more I think about it, the more I like the deal. I do feel like Kesselring will bounce back with solid ice time, which he will get in SJ

i am really happy with it.

it's a great indicator or how Grier is appropriately looking at buy low projects that want out. Nemec and Kesseling etc and vets like Hamilton. I think Nurse, Reilly is part of the DD process, but this type of deal gives me confidence on his D build.

 

[themelkman]

Well, if this is the only move he makes, I would agree that its not enough. Kesselring is very unlikely to be a top pair guy, so we still need a clear #1 in the Hronek, Fox, Werenski, etc ilk.

I don't see this as blocking Pohlkmap for a few reasons. First, Pohlkamp is an offensive defenseman with a great shot, while Kesselring is more two-way bigger guy. They play a different game as Pohlkmap is very unlikely to be a 3rd pairing defensive guy (he's more of a PP QB, high scoring guy or a bust), while kesselring could end up more of a servicable 3rd pair guy.

Second, Pohlkmap likely needs a little time to marinate in the AHL and get his pro feet wet (like at least 40+ AHL games). The sharks had literally zero RHD signed going this summer. Now, we'll have 1. Even getting a top pair RHD would give us just two. Pohlkamp will not be blocked by this move. I kinda see Kesselring like Desharnais but with way better offensive upside.

The key question is: what is the downside? Say he signs a 3x3M deal and then stinks or gets injured more. The downside then is losing 7 spots in the draft and paying 3M to a #7/IR Dman. Neither of those is a big downside nor does either of those stop Grier from upgrading the D further as needed.

It's also clear that Grier is unlikely to want to commit big $ and term just yet. This move is kinda like acquiring Walman. Low risk, high reward potential, where worst case scenario, you basically end up just where you currently are (minus a few mil in cap space and a few draft slots). Best case is a big 6'5, middle pair RHD for the next 5-10 years.

yes please on that coin flip.

p.s.: For those who know me, I am no lover of MG. I have found his trading and signings to be very poor. But, I call it as I see it, and I really like this move.

I wouldn't expect a true number 1 d this year barring a crazy name hitting the market. Kessel seems like a good number 4 guy, and there is probably a 2/3 D man like Reilly or Nurse we can grab due to their big contracts.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Fire dw

 

[SjMilhouse]

I trust you on this because if he was a bad player, you would instantly let us know.

Good trade Grier!

My talent assessment basically comes down to "Do I find myself complaining about them? If yes, they are bad. If no, they are not bad". He was not someone I complained about when he was in Utah.

 

[Surfer Dude]

The issue with Kesselring is going to be health. The injuries that knocked him out last season are those that nobody would be surprised if it was a recurring issue. It'll be interesting to see what kind of contract follows this. Seems like a 3-4 year deal makes sense for both sides around 3.5-4 mil.

i don't know but he came back too early in and got reinjured. i don't know if that means a recurring issue? but it was acknowledge he came back too early in hindsight that forced them to try to trade for other RDs and by then he lost his spot.

 

[Surfer Dude]

Fire dw

into thousand suns. i want Pavs back out of all the vets we lost.

maybe one day he's back as a coach.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

i don't know but he came back too early in and got reinjured. i don't know if that means a recurring issue? but it was acknowledge he came back too early in hindsight that forced them to try to trade for other RDs and by then he lost his spot.

High ankle and knee sprains can be a recurring issue. I think he's still worth the price and the risk associated with him but those types of injuries can linger for an athlete.

 

[sampler]

If they want the cup one day, this is crucial.

Yes, and I don't expect Kesselring will sign a one year deal. I expect grier to do a 3x3 or something like that. Not major term, but not just a year. And for kesselring, getting 3x3 makes all the sense in the world. He guarantees himself $9M in earnings, an amount good enough to set him for a comfortable lifetime, and he'll be just 29 when the contract expires, so if he falls off and ends up a nobody, he still walks away with $9M, and if he explodes on the scene, he sets himself up for a max payday of 6-7 years, and big $$$. The one year deal at 2M (which is likely what he'd get) is far more risky for MK as he'd be one year or one injury like this past one from falling into NHL purgatory and obscurity.

And yes, all great GM's have players performing at levels above their cap hits. This particular players seems to have a very nice probability of achieving just that.

 

[TheBeard]

I doubt Grier picks at 27. I think that pick will ultimately get packaged for a top RHD.

The cool thing is that 20 and 27 likely carry a similar value in the larger context of a big deal involving a top 6F, 1st, and top prospect. I don't think teams make big distinctions between 20th and 27th picks in those kind of blockbusters.

Grier's summer is far from over. But, he filled the first of 3 holes on the D already and paid next to nothing.

......Now, I will go ahead and hate on this deal... here yah go: The sharks still lack an established top 4Dman on the entire roster. So, grier still sucks....

.... The Tao and the life force are back in balance....

I don’t think there’s any top RHD available.