Speculation: Sharks Roster Discussion Part 2

[Juxtaposer]

Killorn or Palat would be awesome.

Either would be awesome up with Joe&Joe. Would free up Marleau to play on the Couture line and Meier to play on the third line.

 

[Sideshow Raheem]

If we could get Vrbata for super cheap, maybe. But he's close to done.

Vrbata has more points this season than everyone on our team except Burns and Pavelski...

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Palats actually a pretty intriguing option if hes available .

 

[USF Shark]

We need a center. Sharks are sitting at 48% in the FO circle. Get some guy who can play top 6/9 minutes and win a crap ton of key FOs. Duchene is the obvious fit there. But Colorado will justly want a massive haul.

If Winnipeg falls out of the hunt, then I want Bryan Little. He'll cost less than Duchene.

 

[Sideshow Raheem]

Faceoffs don't matter. 48% isn't gonna make any difference. We have Jumbo, Couture, Hertl, Tierney and Carpenter who should all be playing center - we don't need another one. Let alone some unskilled faceoff specialist.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

It's been stated that, unless a goal is scored less than 10 seconds after a faceoff, the faceoff has no value.

Faceoffs are still somewhat important, but not important enough to spend assets just to improve those numbers.

A player I would target is Mathieu Perrault.

 

[Jwec]

It's been stated that, unless a goal is scored less than 10 seconds after a faceoff, the faceoff has no value.

Faceoffs are still somewhat important, but not important enough to spend assets just to improve those numbers.

A player I would target is Mathieu Perrault.

Perrault!! Would be perfect! But don't know if Winnpeg is going to trade him but definitely would be nice third line center to us if Herlt continues to play with Joes what based on last game I would recommend.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Perrault!! Would be perfect! But don't know if Winnpeg is going to trade him but definitely would be nice third line center to us if Herlt continues to play with Joes what based on last game I would recommend.

Contract is disgusting no thanks

Little or Duchene

1st + Goldobin + Braun?

Also I think I've proposed this before but Mueller for Lazar who says no

 

[Nolan11]

Perrault!! Would be perfect! But don't know if Winnpeg is going to trade him but definitely would be nice third line center to us if Herlt continues to play with Joes what based on last game I would recommend.

I missed the game last night. What were the lines we played? Sounds like:

Hertl - Joe - Joe
Marleau - Couture - Boedker
?? - ?? - ??
?? - ?? - ??

How did the bottom six play?

 

[hohosaregood]

I missed the game last night. What were the lines we played? Sounds like:

Hertl - Joe - Joe
Marleau - Couture - Boedker
?? - ?? - ??
?? - ?? - ??

How did the bottom six play?

Labanc-Tierney-Ward
Meier-Carpenter-Karlsson

Bottom 6 was effective.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Perrault!! Would be perfect! But don't know if Winnpeg is going to trade him but definitely would be nice third line center to us if Herlt continues to play with Joes what based on last game I would recommend.

I'd be a-okay with Perreault.

Also I think I've proposed this before but Mueller for Lazar who says no

Us. Lazar is absolutely horrible.

 

[Nolan11]

Labanc-Tierney-Ward
Meier-Carpenter-Karlsson

Bottom 6 was effective.

Thanks.

So I guess my question is, if coutures new line is turning heads and hertl manages to wake up the joes, and our bottom six is starting to look adequate with Tierney at 3c and carpenter at 4, do we really need Perrault/nash/JVR or Tatar? (Basically, I assume we are looking for a LW to slot in to Hertls spot so he can play 3C and push Tierney/Carpenter in to a battle for 4C).

 

[USF Shark]

Faceoffs don't matter. 48% isn't gonna make any difference. We have Jumbo, Couture, Hertl, Tierney and Carpenter who should all be playing center - we don't need another one. Let alone some unskilled faceoff specialist.

FOs matter. If you lose a draw you have to expend extra energy to attempt to gain the puck. If you lose it in the offensive zone then you have lost an opportunity to create a scoring chance unless you are able to cause a turn-over. If you lose a draw in the defensive zone you're more likely to have scoring chances against you.

It's a whole lot ****ing easier to score when you have the puck and the easiest way to get the puck is to win a damn FO. One reason why our PP might be less lethal this year is that we're 16th in power play FO%. If you lose the draw, other team most likely clears the puck and you lose 20 seconds at least trying to get it back in.

 

[Vaasa]

Sign me up for Palat. Especially if we can get him for futures not named Labanc or Meier.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

FOs matter. If you lose a draw you have to expend extra energy to attempt to gain the puck. If you lose it in the offensive zone then you have lost an opportunity to create a scoring chance unless you are able to cause a turn-over. If you lose a draw in the defensive zone you're more likely to have scoring chances against you.

It's a whole lot ****ing easier to score when you have the puck and the easiest way to get the puck is to win a damn FO. One reason why our PP might be less lethal this year is that we're 16th in power play FO%. If you lose the draw, other team most likely clears the puck and you lose 20 seconds at least trying to get it back in.

All true but often overstated in terms of how important it really is in terms of game play.

 

[Sideshow Raheem]

FOs matter. If you lose a draw you have to expend extra energy to attempt to gain the puck. If you lose it in the offensive zone then you have lost an opportunity to create a scoring chance unless you are able to cause a turn-over. If you lose a draw in the defensive zone you're more likely to have scoring chances against you.

It's a whole lot ****ing easier to score when you have the puck and the easiest way to get the puck is to win a damn FO. One reason why our PP might be less lethal this year is that we're 16th in power play FO%. If you lose the draw, other team most likely clears the puck and you lose 20 seconds at least trying to get it back in.

Well no **** it's better to win a faceoff than to lose a faceoff. The point is that the difference between winning 48% of faceoffs and 51% of faceoffs or whatever just isn't significant in its impact on team success.

Also if faceoffs were so important to puck possession there would be a much higher correlation between faceoff% and puck possession than there currently is. The fact of the matter is that a faceoff is just one of literally dozens of puck battles that occurs on any given shift. It might be the easiest to track but it isn't any more important than the others.

Putting some skill-bereft faceoff specialist on the power play is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If you're getting Matt Duchene then, sure, but there are like 100 better reasons to acquire Duchene than for his faceoff percentage.

 

[WTFetus]

Putting some skill-bereft faceoff specialist on the power play is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If you're getting Matt Duchene then, sure, but there are like 100 better reasons to acquire Duchene than for his faceoff percentage.

Since when is Bryan Little skill-bereft? You're acting like he's suggesting we get Dominic Moore or Chris Kelly...

 

[hohosaregood]

Man, I'd be all over Little if we could get him.

 

[Sharksfan83]

Sign me up for Palat. Especially if we can get him for futures not named Labanc or Meier.

The Vaasa is okay with spending futures?

 

[Sideshow Raheem]

Since when is Bryan Little skill-bereft? You're acting like he's suggesting we get Dominic Moore or Chris Kelly...

Little would be great but I have no idea why the Jets would want to trade him. But the reason to try and get him wouldn't be for faceoffs.

 

[Gilligans Island]

Thanks.

So I guess my question is, if coutures new line is turning heads and hertl manages to wake up the joes, and our bottom six is starting to look adequate with Tierney at 3c and carpenter at 4, do we really need Perrault/nash/JVR or Tatar? (Basically, I assume we are looking for a LW to slot in to Hertls spot so he can play 3C and push Tierney/Carpenter in to a battle for 4C).

I still think we do b/c a 3rd line of this:

Meier - Hertl - Donskoi would be very strong. I think in many ways it could rival the Pens without the speed. That is a dominating possession line for a 3rd line.

Keep the 2nd line as Marleau - Couture - Boedker. Patty and Mikkel's speed really backs off the D (like the Pens lines) and is causing fits.

So the big trade target is the F1/LW on Jumbo's line. I would target a player who'd best fit there. Karlsson is OK but not ideal. He can get muscled off the puck along the boards.

4th line can be any of Ward- Carpenter/Tierney - Labanc. I actually like Carpenter at C better than Tierney.

 

[ScottyDont]

I'm tempted for something around Braun for JVR, with us adding a low pick or none blue chip prospect.

JVR-Thornton-Pavs
Patty-Couture-Boed
Meier-Hertl-Donsk
Karlsson-Tierney-Ward

Vlasic-Schlem
Martin-Burns
Dillon-DeMelo
Heed

 

[Sideshow Raheem]

Vrbata is just as good as JVR and will cost nothing comparatively.

 

[ScottyDont]

Vrbata is just as good as JVR and will cost nothing comparatively.

True, but JVR is also a long term acquisition. Especially since you think Goldobin is a bust, this provides us with an effective winger for a few years (and we could even trade Goldobin while he has some value)

 

[Timo Time]

Would much rather give up what it would take to get JVR.