Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Megathread XXI: "New, improved, and wayyyy too much info" Edition

[LadyStanley]

 

[Munnyro]

The main problem I see is Grier isn't acquiring many picks, and isn't taking as many swings on young, bigger players putting up good numbers. The goal should be to pick as many Protas and Waltons as possible because them becoming solid trading pieces at the very least is pretty reliable.

Bystedt 6'4, Lund 6'2'', Halttunen 6'3'', Chernyshov 6'3'', Svoboda 6'3'', Musty 6'2''. They clearly have a size first policy in the first couple rounds outside of exceptional talent like Smith/Celebrini.

 

[timorous me]

Maybe some of Musty's homework while rehabbing was media training. Well done nipping that whole story in the bud so he can hopefully have a good rest of the season in Sudbury with no drama (finally) now that he's officially stuck there.

 

[coooldude]

Maybe some of Musty's homework while rehabbing was media training. Well done nipping that whole story in the bud so he can hopefully have a good rest of the season in Sudbury with no drama (finally) now that he's officially stuck there.

I don't have access -- is there a tl;dr?

 

[The Nemesis]

Bystedt 6'4, Lund 6'2'', Halttunen 6'3'', Chernyshov 6'3'', Svoboda 6'3'', Musty 6'2''. They clearly have a size first policy in the first couple rounds outside of exceptional talent like Smith/Celebrini.

Grier is secretly Vince McMahon.

 

[hohosaregood]

I don't have access -- is there a tl;dr?

Just said he wanted to go somewhere that was gonna be competing in his last year in the OHL and now that they've made moves to compete, he's 100% bought in.

An alternate version

In the Wolves’ Den: Quentin Musty excited to move forward in Sudbury

Encouraged by deadline deals, San Jose Sharks prospect hopes to cap his OHL career with a deep playoff run

www.thesudburystar.com

 

[Zarzh]

Bystedt 6'4, Lund 6'2'', Halttunen 6'3'', Chernyshov 6'3'', Svoboda 6'3'', Musty 6'2''. They clearly have a size first policy in the first couple rounds outside of exceptional talent like Smith/Celebrini.

Those aren't unfair picks. Defense is a better scenario, but the forwards are too reliant on everyone hitting and most aren't high upside. Svoboda and to a lesser extent Wetsch aren't high upside, but I'd feel better if they had a bunch of those types or slightly better and hoped for one or two to exceed expectations.

 

[Munnyro]

Those aren't unfair picks. Defense is a better scenario, but the forwards are too reliant on everyone hitting and most aren't high upside. Svoboda and to a lesser extent Wetsch aren't high upside, but I'd feel better if they had a bunch of those types or slightly better and hoped for one or two to exceed expectations.

We'll see how it turns out

 

[CaptainShark]

Just said he wanted to go somewhere that was gonna be competing in his last year in the OHL and now that they've made moves to compete, he's 100% bought in.

An alternate version

In the Wolves’ Den: Quentin Musty excited to move forward in Sudbury

Encouraged by deadline deals, San Jose Sharks prospect hopes to cap his OHL career with a deep playoff run

www.thesudburystar.com

He also had high praise for the coaching staff and said, that his goals is to play in the NHL (really) and that the staff is „all about detail and playing the right way“.

He also said that this is „hopefully“ his last year in the OHL/CHL.

 

[Shark Finn]

Just said he wanted to go somewhere that was gonna be competing in his last year in the OHL and now that they've made moves to compete, he's 100% bought in.

An alternate version

In the Wolves’ Den: Quentin Musty excited to move forward in Sudbury

Encouraged by deadline deals, San Jose Sharks prospect hopes to cap his OHL career with a deep playoff run

www.thesudburystar.com

Those are some encouraging words from Musty, I have to say.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Those are some encouraging words from Musty, I have to say.

Seriously. Either he's telling the truth or he got some genuinely good PR training.

 

[The Nemesis]

Those are some encouraging words from Musty, I have to say.

It's all a cover so he can lull Sudbury into a false sense of security while he continues the revenge tour.

 

[Shark Finn]

It's all a cover so he can lull Sudbury into a false sense of security while he continues the revenge tour.

If the revenge tour helps him becoming a full-time NHLer for the Sharks, I'm all for it.

BTW, that's an elite post number in this thread.

 

[matt trick]

On the drafting for wingers with size, I’m fine with it. We have three 5’11-6’0 forwards that make up the core of the forwards. Tofolli is 6’, and while he takes a ton of abuse and is hard on opposing dmen, isn’t really adding size or physicality. Graf (6’1 but light) and Zetterlund (5’11 built like a fridge) aren’t huge. The next guy most likely to be around for three years is Kovalenko, he’s 5’10. Our forwards are small, light, and skilled.

You can compliment them with size in free agency, but typical you are getting guys who are less physical (Wennberg), less skilled (Kunin next summer), or likely to fall off. Power forward contracts in free agency are often dangerous. Look at the 2016 UFA frenzy contracts of Lucic, Ladd, Okposo, Brouwer, and Backes. It’s a graveyard,

Everyone agrees you need three of an elite center, another elite forward, an elite dman, and elite goalie, but almost universally cup teams have at least one hard hitting, relentless, immovable power forward as well (Stone, Tkachuk/Barkov/Bennett, Brown, Toews/Byfuglien, Lucic/Marchand, Landeskog, Schenn/Barbashev).

If even one of the six big forwards Grier’s drafted/targted in the top 45 hit (Musty, Bystedt, Edstrom, Cherny, Lund, Halt; and I bet he takes two more between this year and next); he’s saved himself having to go find a power forward in the minefield that is free agency. In trade, they’re also very expensive (look at Timo).

Grier seems to look at the draft like this:

Top 15: Franchise Cornerstone at C/D
Late 1st/early 2nd: Top 6 forward with size, good skating dman
3-5th: NHL guys but bottom of the lineup (5-6 D, 4th line F, goalies)
6-7th: Boom Bust

Hitting on 1 out of 7 top 45 picks for a top 6 power forward is poor, but getting that guy at usually below market rate for their 25-29 years (and playoff motivated by an upcoming $7x7+ cap increase contract) could be the difference of winning a cup.

Also, imagine we end up with Hagens this year and Misa next, a great outcome. However, we’d be so small. Imagine if instead of the big forwards we’d gone with guys like Cristal and Nadeau (who I really liked at the Musty and Halt picks). They may end up being better, they way even hit while our guys bust, but they’d also be run over. Griers trying to build a balanced org.

 

[Cas]

Quick note - we don't have Edstrom anymore.