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Rumor: Sharks looking to trade up to #1

perfect, so let's stop the this BS and arguing.....But not saying you, but it's quite clear, SJ and fans really want Schaefer - can SJ at least stop denying this??

No one is denying it from what I see. We are only denying the price Isle fans are asking for.

The majority would be just as happy with Misa. You can call it cope but, as I see it, the Sharks can use both.

Anything above the extra first and maybe an extra later pick just isn't worth it to the rebuild.
 
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perfect, so let's stop the this BS and arguing.....But not saying you, but it's quite clear, SJ and fans really want Schaefer - can SJ at least stop denying this??

I seriously doubt any Sharks fan is saying they don't want Schaefer. What we're saying is Schaefer isn't worth giving up Misa+Dickinson. We sure as hell aren't giving up our first round pick next year. Sorry you seem to be imaging things in your head.
 
I seriously doubt any Sharks fan is saying they don't want Schaefer. What we're saying is Schaefer isn't worth giving up Misa+Dickinson. We sure as hell aren't giving up our first round pick next year. Sorry you seem to be imaging things in your head.
Maybe you should go back an read all the comments. But listen at the end of the day. I don't care what SJ fans say or want. Isles are going to do the best for the isles. Not take a fair price for the #1 overall. So all this crap is moot.
 
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No one is denying it from what I see. We are only denying the price Isle fans are asking for.

The majority would be just as happy with Misa. You can call it cope but, as I see it, the Sharks can use both.

Anything above the extra first and maybe an extra later pick just isn't worth it to the rebuild.
fine, I agree, everyone has their limits. That won't do it for the isles. It's a moot point, isles are going to take scheafer and take their 2 2026 1st rounders and get more young forwards...
 
Maybe you should go back an read all the comments. But listen at the end of the day. I don't care what SJ fans say or want. Isles are going to do the best for the isles. Not take a fair price for the #1 overall. So all this crap is moot.
Go ahead and quote them. I'm one who doesn't want to trade up unless it's a sweatheart deal, i.e. nothing the Islanders will go for. I haven't seen anyone saying the Isles should or would take such a deal.
 
Just a head's up, I'm not an Isles fans and regarding your post, it's not only Isles fans but the entirety on the industry that places Schaefer at number 1. There's a significant gap at 1-2 & an even bigger gap between 2-3. There's a clear concensus no.1 for 2025
You can say that all you want but the sample size on Schaefer is very small and like it or not that creates a lot of risk.
Misa has gained a lot of ground but anyone pretending this isn’t an incredibly weak draft is either fooling themselves or runs a website looking for hits.
There is a Dman who is really not worse than the guy everyone has at the top and anyone of 6 or 7 forwards/centers may 6 years from now be seen as the steal of the draft.
I personally feel Hagens or O’Brien end up the best 2 forwards and whoever picks Mrtka is going to be very pleased.
 
You can say that all you want but the sample size on Schaefer is very small and like it or not that creates a lot of risk.
Misa has gained a lot of ground but anyone pretending this isn’t an incredibly weak draft is either fooling themselves or runs a website looking for hits.
There is a Dman who is really not worse than the guy everyone has at the top and anyone of 6 or 7 forwards/centers may 6 years from now be seen as the steal of the draft.
I personally feel Hagens or O’Brien end up the best 2 forwards and whoever picks Mrtka is going to be very pleased.
its supposed to be the weakest from 2023 to 2026... Not sure how it ranks compared to 2022, where only 2 players really made a decent impression so far (though plenty didnt have a chance to prove anything yet)
 
I like that idea of Schaeffer for Misa and Isles get option to switch 2026 1st rounds BUT add in top 5, maybe only top 1?? protection for it to move deal to 2027. Except not sure I can see Isles going for that ( top 5). I seriously would think Isles could easily finish lower than SJ by 2027 meaning they get nothing in return.
 
Mute point because Dickinson is worth #3 in this draft all on his own.

It’s funny how Isles fans have convinced themselves that Schaefer being the consensus #1 overall means that he’s head and shoulders above Misa. That’s simply not the case.

Fantasize about getting Dickinson, Eklund, our 2026 1st, whatever you want. It’s not happening.
I have nothing to say here.
 
Maybe you should go back an read all the comments. But listen at the end of the day. I don't care what SJ fans say or want. Isles are going to do the best for the isles. Not take a fair price for the #1 overall. So all this crap is moot.
Comments are all about how Sharks fans are cool with either player. Some fans even prefer Misa to Schaefer due to the odds of getting a 1c vs 1d later in drafts. No one says they don't want Schaefer. They'd be fine with him if he fell to #2 but don't want to see the Sharks give up assets to move up 1 pick for him. Ultimately this entire 1/2 trade premise was moot in the last thread about it.
 
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Even if he prefers Misa he can still call Grier’s bluff with all of this instead of just making a trade just to make a trade. There’s no reason for Darche to make the swap unless he feels like the offer coming from San Jose in this case actually strengthens the prospect pool properly and a late 1st that’s essentially the 29/30th overall really isn’t moving the needle this year.
He could, but that would be stupid. If the options are picking Misa at #1 or picking him a #2 and getting a late 1st rounder in exchange for moving down a slot, any GM who wants to stay employed would chose the latter.
 
He could, but that would be stupid. If the options are picking Misa at #1 or picking him a #2 and getting a late 1st rounder in exchange for moving down a slot, any GM who wants to stay employed would chose the latter.
Really not stupid. It’s more about getting maximum return when it comes to the trade. A mediocre return of a late 1st and small add on isn’t really that much in the end, especially from a team who’s stocked up. That doesn’t blow anyone away who has the #1 pick. It’s no different then offering a late 1st, c tier prospect and a cap dump roster player for a top 6 younger forward and the team with the forward knowing you’re lowballing them and waiting for a better offer.
 
These trades to move up one spot are always weird. Islanders should just keep the pick and San Jose keeps their pick. Whoever they draft will be amazing additions to their cores regardless.

From an Isle's POV, I think we can use the forward(Misa or Hagens) slightly more than Schaefer. To me though the but would be stupid not to take Schaefer unless we get something to make it worth our while. In the Sharks case Schaefer might be the better option if given a choice
 
Really not stupid. It’s more about getting maximum return when it comes to the trade. A mediocre return of a late 1st and small add on isn’t really that much in the end, especially from a team who’s stocked up. That doesn’t blow anyone away who has the #1 pick. It’s no different then offering a late 1st, c tier prospect and a cap dump roster player for a top 6 younger forward and the team with the forward knowing you’re lowballing them and waiting for a better offer.
It’s not like this at all.
 
Really not stupid. It’s more about getting maximum return when it comes to the trade. A mediocre return of a late 1st and small add on isn’t really that much in the end, especially from a team who’s stocked up. That doesn’t blow anyone away who has the #1 pick. It’s no different then offering a late 1st, c tier prospect and a cap dump roster player for a top 6 younger forward and the team with the forward knowing you’re lowballing them and waiting for a better offer.
Let me understand, you think it is important to maximize return, but don’t think it would be stupid to take Misa 1OA versus Misa (2OA) + late 1st. One of us is not understanding something, and I don’t think it me.
 
Let me understand, you think it is important to maximize return, but don’t think it would be stupid to take Misa 1OA versus Misa (2OA) + late 1st. One of us is not understanding something, and I don’t think it me.
The late 1st isn’t enough of an incentive to move down is what I’m saying. I’m personally not impressed with getting a borderline 2nd round pick as a thank you for not taking the guy we want.
 
The late 1st isn’t enough of an incentive to move down is what I’m saying. I’m personally not impressed with getting a borderline 2nd round pick as a thank you for not taking the guy we want.

If I was guaranteed to get the guy I really want at 2nd if at the end of the day all they were offering was a 7th round pick I am taking it. lol
 
If I was guaranteed to get the guy I really want at 2nd if at the end of the day all they were offering was a 7th round pick I am taking it. lol
I’m not interested in taking something just to take something. If that’s the case, im sending Pierre Engvall with that 1st to move the contract off the books.
 
This is why ego has no place in any front office. Passing up a free first rounder for no reason is wild to me.
So trading down to give another team the player they value higher just to get something as a thank you? Reverse the teams, are you taking a late 1st/borderline 2nd to swap picks? I highly doubt that. You want to give the Isles incentive to make the swap? Offer up the ability to swap 2026 1sts with the trade.
 

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