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The original report was bullshit and subsequent Darche comments make it pretty clear that his first big move as GM is going to be picking #1. After 16 pages, can we retire this thread? Pretty please?
Rumor: Sharks looking to trade up to #1
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doublechili
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I don't think there will be a deal, but doesn't the conversation about a trade revolve around the assumption that the SJS would think that Schaefer IS a good bit better than Dickinson (otherwise why would they be looking to move up and draft another LHD?)? If they're pretty close, then you have your #1 LHD so just stay at #2 and draft a forward, right? 
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Citation needed.
We already had a guy who asserted Schaefer was Potvin about to lead the Isles to their next dynasty.
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That Potvin guy is a Habs fan. The other Isles fans are mostly citing Potvin as an example that NYI values cornerstone defensemen, and Darche has said he wants to build from the back.
No need to get into fanbase slander on either side. Darche is 99% making the pick, 95% picking Schaefer, and 100% getting a great prospect.
If his plan is to take Schaefer then he's not trading. If his plan is to take a C, whether it's Misa or Hagens then he would be foolish not to trade down and get at least the Dallas first just for the inconvenience.
Point is, it'll never be an "offer he cant refuse" to move down. It's strictly what he's prioritizing at the draft.
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I'm exaggerating of course. It's odd to see some fans writing about their certainty in Misa, Celebrini et al. achieving their lofty expectations even though none have seen any NHL action whereas when they write about Schaefer ( the unanimous consensus #1 pick who clearly shows elite skills at 17 years of age) they have their doubts.
Schaefer is no Potvin- quite possibly the greatest 2 way defenseman to have ever played the game, but Schaefer appears more in the mold of the modern fast skating puck handling defenseman that everyone seems to be looking for nowadays. That said, IF he turns out to be that player and a great one at that, he CAN have the same level of impact as Potvin though in an entirely different way. Elite defenseman whatever their strengths may be often become the cornerstone of Cup winning franchises. This is what we hope Schaefer becomes but there is no guarantee.
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I can't see the Isles trading for another center when they already have Horvat, Barzal, Ritchie, and strength at forward with upcomers Eiserman, D. Nelson, Holmstrom. They don't have an elite 2 way defenseman. Most teams don't have that kind of a player so acquiring Schaefer seems like an obvious choice because it is a need for the Isles and he also happens to be the consensus best player available.
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A late 1st in this year isn’t an offer he can’t refuse. That’s just the consensus “best offer” by Sharks fans. Realistically it would have to be something painful from San Jose in terms of an actual player, not draft picks.
Celebrini scored 63 points in 70 NHL games on a dogshit team you dolt.
That's my point. The only thing that's gonna move Darche off of drafting Schaefer is if he doesn't want Schaefer as much as a center. It's not "an offer he can't refuse", it's if he prefers drafting someone else over Schaefer. And if that's the case, he should just take an additional first to swap positions and get the get he was gonna draft anyways.
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Yea I think if it's the Isles intention to draft Misa, they are asking Chernyshov at the very least. I value him far greater than the 30 OA and they are likely going to want more which isn't outlandish for them to ask. I just wouldn't want Grier to.
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That additional first isn’t even remotely close enough to make that swap, that’s . It just seems like quite a bit of Sharks fans are convinced the Isles are taking Misa and just trying to shake Grier down for extra pieces when in reality it’s not the case if Schaefer is the consensus #1.
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I really doubt that’s the Islanders intention. If anything, it seems more like San Jose wants the defenseman to go with the stockpile of forwards. Chernyshov is one of the few San Jose prospects I’d consider personally if it came to a swap that did something beneficial for the Islanders. It has to be in that upper echelon in terms of prospect quality to even make Darche think. Offering a late 1st this year and maybe a spare mid round pick next season isn’t enough.
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Even if he prefers Misa he can still call Grier’s bluff with all of this instead of just making a trade just to make a trade. There’s no reason for Darche to make the swap unless he feels like the offer coming from San Jose in this case actually strengthens the prospect pool properly and a late 1st that’s essentially the 29/30th overall really isn’t moving the needle this year.
Neither player is the wrong choice for either team, so I'm ok with Grier just sitting on his hands then and letting whichever player Darche doesn't take drop to him.
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perfect, so let's stop the this BS and arguing.....But not saying you, but it's quite clear, SJ and fans really want Schaefer - can SJ at least stop denying this??
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Who the hell is denying that SJ fans want Schaefer? That doesn't mean everyone would be unhappy with Misa. Some even want Martone (at 2).
I do'nt think anyone is denying this, but not at the price Isles think it would take.
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There are many....and the fact that some SJ fans are saying that isles should be happy with some of the packages their are offering is a joke. What would you guys say if things were reversed? please, stop all of this BS.
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It would be the same if it was reversed and you had the #1 pick. You would ask for an overpayment to trade us the pick. So to me, a lot of the SJ fans are being hypocritical
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Yeah this is not accurate. Celebrini already played a stellar rookie season. Almost point per game...
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The BS is in your head. I know this because you're treating an entire fan base as "you guys" when even in this thread there are a lot of different POVs on all sides. Hell, there are isles fans who want Hagens. This is not "all you guys."
Schaefer is the highly likely #1.
The Sharks, like most teams, almost certainly have him #1.
Darche is highly unlikely to trade.
The price to trade would be too high for most Sharks fans and almost certainly the org.
Some Sharks fans think a lowball offer is all that is merited. Others want to offer the max.
Nobody wants to offer the "BS" that has been tweeted by some isles guy like 26 unprotected, Musty, Dallas 30OA, AND 2OA for 1.
The original report that started this thread was BS anyway.
From a game theory POV, IF Darche somehow, extremely unlikely, decided he wanted Misa or Hagens over Schaefer, which is against all consensus and against what he's already said publicly, then he has less leverage than he thinks, because the Sharks can just call his bluff. Unless the Sharks hate all the forwards so much and/or love Schaefer so much and/or there is a bidding war. But the 99% likelihood is Schaefer goes 1 to NYI.
Everything else is just noise. This thread has been a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Yep. Sharks aren't in the position yet to strictly go for need. Having 3 potential franchise centers in Smith, Macklin and Misa would be the envy of the league.
