Rumor: Sharks looking to trade up to #1

[Pinkfloyd]

Darche isn’t rebuilding. He Re-tooling. He said they have to good core pieces to be a bottom feeding team that rebuilds. He specifically mentioned Barzal Horvat Dobson and Sorokin as the core.

Then what matters is what Darche wants to accomplish with the pick if he’s putting it on the table legitimately and not just playing the market. It’s understandable to just play the market but teams will still set limits.

I don’t think there’s a real deal to be made because I don’t know if any actual proposal a team like San Jose, Chicago, or Utah would max out at would be convincing for the Islanders in this day and age. I can’t see a deal happening where the response isn’t met with negativity that a new GM just doesn’t need.

 

[zizbuka]

Mute point?

Canadians, right? Colourful people I guess..........

 

[SI90]

Then what matters is what Darche wants to accomplish with the pick if he’s putting it on the table legitimately and not just playing the market. It’s understandable to just play the market but teams will still set limits.

I don’t think there’s a real deal to be made because I don’t know if any actual proposal a team like San Jose, Chicago, or Utah would max out at would be convincing for the Islanders in this day and age. I can’t see a deal happening where the response isn’t met with negativity that a new GM just doesn’t need.

My guy tells me isles will make the selection at #1 and it will be Schaefer.

Darche has repeatedly said over and over again how unique and special it is to draft first overall. I truly think it would take an insane offer for him to move from the pick. I don’t know if we realistically see those types of offers.

 

[Stuzchuk]

Even if he is the consensus #1 pick that doesn't say what his value is compared to the 2024 draft. It also doesn't say that #2 is trash compared to him. Also Misa, Hagens, Martone, and Desnoyers are all in a similar group. A lot of people are also weary of drafting a defensemen first overall and feel it is safer to pick a centreman who also generally need less time to develop before they are a true impact player.

that I dont dissagree with you on. As per a few anlists and youtubers that I saw lately the 2025 draft isnt as good as 2023, 2024 or 2026 dratfs and yes it takes longer to devellop a DMan over a forward but when there's a unanimous consensus, it's usually respected, and personaally I cant recall a first overall being traded before the the draft... SJ still gets a very solid pick with Misa at #2

Oh, and I saved this last week, I cant recall from where but it was talent-wise, their top 16.

 

[Leviathan]

It’s Pagnotta so… you know. In fact, it’s a page reporting a pagnotta quote. So double skepticism, but it’s the offseason and I’m bored.

Sharks fans what is Grier offering up to go from Misa to Schaefer?

Pagnotta did say this on TFP.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Outside observer (Oil fan), but having watched a mishandled rebuild that took a decade, I would say SJ should simply stand pat and take Miss if the cost is astronomical. Fact of the matter is, they are probably looking at one more tank year (especially with McKenna as the top prize next year). So you have one more tank year, if you land McKenna then that’s amazing, if not, you’re probably picking top 5 and could nab Keaton Verhoeff (who is a RHD which appears more of a need).

I think the Sharks are set up OK on the left side of the D. I’d re-sign Ferraro, Makhmudulin looks promising, and then you have Dickinson. Schaefer seems more of a luxury than a must. If the Isles would be willing to flip 1 for 2 for a couple extra picks, then perfect, but if it’s some of the suggested prices in this thread, you take Misa and focus on 2026.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The “SJ is absolutely desperate for Schaefer” narrative is also pretty damn funny at this point. It’s true that D is technically the weakness of our core, but it’s only a weakness because we have the best center U23 center in the world and the best goaltending prospect in the world. 80% of the league would kill to have a guy like Sam Dickinson in their prospect pool. And yes, if Sam Dickinson were available in this year’s draft class I would easily take him 3rd overall knowing how his draft+1 year went.

 

[Oddbob]

There won't be any trades involving the top 5 picks like most years. And just like most years, some not good at inside info (Pagnotta etc,) will post clickbaity things about "trades" they "hear" about.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

#1 for #2, Edmonton 2026 first and Dallas 2025 first.

 

[Patty Ice]

#1 for #2, Edmonton 2026 first and Dallas 2025 first.

Still too rich. Pass.

I'll take Misa and stock up on some dmen with those picks.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Makes sense if the Islanders really want to draft the local kid.

 

[M Ace]

Why doesn't Sharks just offersheet Evan Bouchard with a 12 mill x 6 year contract?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Of course they are. Schaefer profiles (if he teaches his ceiling) as the next Potvin. I can’t see Darche trading that pick though, unless he’s a complete idiot.,

Next Potvin? Wow ok hold on. Denis Potvin is widely considered a top 10 defenseman of all time. Labeling Schaefer as a potential top 10 defenseman of all time when before he's even been drafted, and hasn't played a game of hockey in over 6 months is like counting your chickens 3 generations before they hatch. By the time Cale Makar retires he will probably go down as a top 10 defenseman of all time, maybe even top 5. Quinn Hughes, who is an extremely talented defenseman and probably viewed as the 2nd best in the league might not even crack the top 15 of all time.

Lets settle for a more realistic ceiling like Rasmus Dahlin or Miro Heiskanen. Hell even Duncan Keith would be a phenomenal result for him

 

[Surfer Dude]

Hard to see Sharks ponying a lot to move up when Misa/Schaefer gap is not huge imo.

But how about this - 2nd, Dal 1st, Cagnoni.

Interesting to note Darche and Grier played together so maybe something can get done.

 

[Patty Ice]

Why doesn't Sharks just offersheet Evan Bouchard with a 12 mill x 6 year contract?

Yea what's 4 top 5 picks for a flawed maybe top 10 Dman for a rebuilding team?

I'm pretty sure Grier would fire himself if he did that.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Just a head's up, I'm not a Isles fans and regarding your post, it's not only Isles fans but the entirety on the industry that places Schaefer at number 1. There's a significant gap at 1-2 & a even bigger gap between 2-3. There's a clear concensus no.1 for 2025

Significant gap between 1 and 2? No there isn't, they're pretty clearly both tier 1 prospects. Maybe there is a gap between them but it's definitely not viewed as "significant" by any stretch of the imagination. This isn't like McDavid over Eichel, or Bedard over Carlsson/Fantilli. This is more like Tavares vs Hedman, or Stamkos vs Doughty.

Hell some are even ranking Misa 1st

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

that I dont dissagree with you on. As per a few anlists and youtubers that I saw lately the 2025 draft isnt as good as 2023, 2024 or 2026 dratfs and yes it takes longer to devellop a DMan over a forward but when there's a unanimous consensus, it's usually respected, and personaally I cant recall a first overall being traded before the the draft... SJ still gets a very solid pick with Misa at #2

Oh, and I saved this last week, I cant recall from where but it was talent-wise, their top 16.View attachment 1044798

That's crazy that anyone has Dickinson above all 3 of Buium, Levshunov, and Parekh. Yes he's a great prospect, but come on.

 

[SI]

Mute point because Dickinson is worth #3 in this draft all on his own.

It’s funny how Isles fans have convinced themselves that Schaefer being the consensus #1 overall means that he’s head and shoulders above Misa. That’s simply not the case.

Fantasize about getting Dickinson, Eklund, our 2026 1st, whatever you want. It’s not happening.

Do you mean "Moot" point?

No one is fantasizing about anything - Isles will select Schaefer 1st OA.

 

[biturbo19]

Every single year, there's "rumours" about trades at the top of the draft. And every single year, nothing at all happens.

 

[Cancuks]

Schaefer is Potvin? Lol, he's not even Makar or Hughes. That said, the Isles shouldn't trade the pick. If they want Hagens that badly they should deal Dobson to the Hawks.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Mute point

Bone apple tea

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Sharks should just keep their pick and take whoever they think is the best pick at #2. It's not unusual for a guy pick after first overall to turn out to be the best player in the draft class in a situation like this.

Schaefer is good, but he's not at the superstar level of player where it's worth it to hand over multiple high quality pieces for him when you're getting the next best player available.

There really is no such thing as too many good young assets in the league these days. Stockpile them while you can.

 

[HawksDub89]

I wouldn’t trade Dickinson to move up one spot, but I do think some are overrating him just a tad. (And I like him)

I just don’t see any way this type of trade happens. Isles will ask for the moon (rightfully) and Sharks won’t want to part with a huge piece of the rebuild.

Could say the same for Chicago moving up, likely not worth the price.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Good Luck with that.

I know this draft isn't as deep as some others but It's still the #1 pick

 

[Michoulicious]

That's crazy that anyone has Dickinson above all 3 of Buium, Levshunov, and Parekh. Yes he's a great prospect, but come on.

No, it's not crazy at all.

Dickinson is a stud. His D+1 was sensational.