BaileyMacTavish
Hockey lovin' wolf
Intent to blow is a stupid rule anyway. Good hard win for the Sharks. I think we are slowly turning it around. PP% and GF/G slowly going up
I think he could be a starter. Just going by how he's played as a backup, which is insanely good. I just think he'd be more a .915-.920 starter, maybe a little better in some years. That's if he played 60 games a year.
I don’t know for backups specifically, but currently the league average save percentage is .912, which is slightly down from previous years. It has been .913 and .914-ish in recent years. It was .910 not too long ago this season, so maybe it progresses back to just under 91.5% by the end of the season.What's the average for a backup?
3-2 sharks
Burns, pavs, meier
Monahan, gaudreau
SJS 3/2
Cooter/Burns/Tierney
JHockey/Tkachuk
Hopefully Donsk is back up to snuff!!
# | Date / Opponent | SNOG Winner(s) | Result |
1 | Oct. 4 vs Flyers | none | Flyers 5-3 |
2 | Oct. 7 vs Kings | hohosaregood | Kings 4-1 |
3 | Oct. 12 vs Sabres | CanadianSharks, PopaneNightscare | Sharks 3-2 |
4 | Oct. 14 vs Islanders | none | Islanders 3-1 |
5 | Oct. 17 vs Canadiens | none | Sharks 5-2 |
6 | Oct. 20 at Devils | none | Sharks 3-0 |
7 | Oct. 21 at Islanders | none | Islanders 5-3 |
8 | Oct. 23 at Rangers | none | Sharks 4-1 |
9 | Oct. 26 at Bruins | none | Bruins 2-1 |
10 | Oct. 28 at Sabres | none | Sharks 3-2 |
11 | Oct. 30 vs Maple Leafs | DrFeelgood | Sharks 3-2 |
12 | Nov. 1 vs Predators | spintheblackcircle | Sharks 4-1 |
13 | Nov. 4 vs Ducks | RockyMTNShark | Sharks 2-1 SO |
14 | Nov. 8 vs Lightning | Anomie2029 | Lightning 5-1 |
15 | Nov. 11 vs Canucks | none | Sharks 5-0 |
16 | Nov. 12 at Kings | stator | Sharks 2-1 |
17 | Nov. 16 vs Panthers | none | Panthers 2-0 |
18 | Nov. 18 vs Bruins | PackShark, rangerssharks414 | Bruins 3-1 |
19 | Nov. 20 vs Ducks | none | Ducks 3-2 SO |
20 | Nov. 22 vs Coyotes | none | Sharks 3-1 |
21 | Nov. 24 at Golden Knights | none | Golden Knights 5-4 OT |
22 | Nov. 25 vs Jets | Bizz | Sharks 4-0 |
23 | Nov. 28 at Flyers | PackShark | Sharks 3-1 |
24 | Dec. 1 at Panthers | Munnyro | Sharks 2-1 |
25 | Dec. 2 at Lightning | none | Lightning 5-2 |
26 | Dec. 4 at Capitals | none | Capitals 4-1 |
27 | Dec. 7 vs Hurricanes | none | Sharks 5-4 OT |
28 | Dec. 9 vs Senators | shorkie88 | Sharks 5-0 |
29 | Dec. 10 vs Wild | none | Wild 4-3 OT |
30 | Dec. 14 at Flames | do0glas, socalsharksfan | Sharks 3-2 |
Rank | 2017-18 SNOG standings | # of SNOGs |
1. | PackShark | 2 |
T-2. | Anomie2029, Bizz, CanadianSharks, do0glas, DrFeelgood, hohosaregood, Munnyro, PopaneNightscare, rangerssharks414, RockyMTNShark, shorkie88, socalsharksfan, spintheblackcircle, stator | 1 |
I don’t know for backups specifically, but currently the league average save percentage is .912, which is slightly down from previous years. It has been .913 and .914-ish in recent years. It was .910 not too long ago this season, so maybe it progresses back to just under 91.5% by the end of the season.
Dell is well into the .930’s.
Give me a break, Dell is a .930 starter? Then he’s the best goalie in the league if you think he can consistently do this as a starter. I like Dell as much as anybody, but I see this is your attempt at trying to disprove me and act like I have no clue as to what I’m talking about. Come to think of it, you did the same thing to me with Reimer.It doesn't really help knowing the NHL average when you're making making judgements about backups. I just thought you and others would know with all these strong arguments about what Dell can and can't do as a starter.
I like Dell as much as anybody and that's why I'll have a pretty short leash with Jones, if he lets in another 3-4 goals tomorrow. I just don't think Dell is a .930 goalie when playing 60 games in a season. That's not a knock, those are just Hart Trophy-like numbers. Never mind the Vezina.
I was a huge proponent of Dell getting 20-25 starts this year, I was critical of the decision to not play him more games last year, and I'd love to re-sign him right now , like literally tonight, because there's a really good chance that he's gonna provide really good goaltending to fall back on. I even said, he might be better than Jones. Maybe he's not, but maybe he is?
So I'm a huge fan of Dell.
It's just that when a backup goes to play somewhere as a starter, the numbers usually take a decline. This doesn't always mean they a decline to being bad, just a drop off from their backup load. Schneider has been a great starter (with the exception of last year), Talbot (having a bad year this year) has been a great starter. Darling has been a joke though, but he also wasn't as good of a backup as Dell has been either. They just suffered a bit of a drop in performance. It's to be expected.
1. Those 3 stars are a friggin' joke. I watched the flames TV feed and it was really, really evenly called and good. I literally did not get annoyed even once through the whole game. The radio guys (Assuming they do the 3 stars) must be homer ****heads.
2. Donskoi is amazing. He has always had the skill but he is showing more motor than Karlsson these days. He's going to be huge going forward for us.
3. Flames are still the flames. Some great talents but overall not as tight of a system as ours.
He is a GOOD goaltender. My whole point of this has been that I'm skeptical that he'd be this .930+ goaltender as a 60 game starter, because it's really rare that it happens. There's usually only one guy that seems to do it every year and even the good ones that do it, don't sustain it for more than one year. Like Quick in 11-12? He hasn't .920 in a season since his .930 season in 11-12. Mike Smith that very same year? Ryan Miller in 09-10? I don't think any of them have had a .920 season since then. Dubnyk did it that one year and hasn't done it again. That's like a lock for the Vezina (unless there's multiple guys in the same season that are doing it, like when Quick, Smith and Lundqvist all did it in 11-12) and a strong consideration for the Hart Trophy. Tim Thomas hit .930 as a starter 2 times in 3 years. It just doesn't consistently happen though.I just don't get how people say Dell isn't a good goaltender. He is coming into his own, and getting better and better. We are in a luxury to have 2 solid tenders right now, but Jones needs to step his game up. I don't think Dell will want to stay and be the backup next season. I believe he will become a starter in the league at some point sooner or later. I also believe DW has fielded calls for him already.
He is a GOOD goaltender. My whole point of this has been that I'm skeptical that he'd be this .930+ goaltender as a 60 game starter, because it's really rare that it happens. There's usually only one guy that seems to do it every year and even the good ones that do it, don't sustain it for more than one year. Like Quick in 11-12? He hasn't .920 in a season since his .930 season in 11-12. Mike Smith that very same year? Ryan Miller in 09-10? I don't think any of them have had a .920 season since then. Dubnyk did it that one year and hasn't done it again. That's like a lock for the Vezina (unless there's multiple guys in the same season that are doing it, like when Quick, Smith and Lundqvist all did it in 11-12) and a strong consideration for the Hart Trophy. Tim Thomas hit .930 as a starter 2 times in 3 years. It just doesn't consistently happen though.
Dell is a great goaltender, I just don't think he's the best in the league. That's all I'm saying. I think he actually might be the best goaltender on the team though. Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to say. Jones has been average to just solid for his time here. He's been more impressive in the playoffs than anything, but just average/above average in the regular season. Dare I say reminiscent of Niemi (only much better in the playoffs, Niemi stunk in the playoffs, outside of 2013. He was a passenger for most of that 2010 cup run and was one of the worst players on the team for the 2011 WCF run) when he was here? I mean when he was here, not the Niemi now, that's just about out of the league.
Give me a break, Dell is a .930 starter?
Nice win against an important divisonal rival. As we line up against more divisional foes we'll need to win most of these to get into the playoffs for sure.
Notes
1) Interesting that Dell started over Jones in this first of back to backs. I like the call
and it worked with the win. Dell is really strong for the defensive system we play, i look for
PDB to play which ever is playing better in key games moving forward if they are both playing well.
2) Doni was great in his return! Love that line with Tierney and Timo. Nice to see some
depth scoring recently as we'll need it to get into the playoffs and run deep!
3) Another PPG! We'll need a 10 PP to complement our not so top 10 5 on 5 scoring.
4) The Joes are struggling, it's sad to watch.
It's been a while since the Sharks had a backup that was this good. Stalock was good for one season, then crapped out for the rest. Reimer was good for 8 games over a month stretch, but Dell has managed to be that good for 32 games over two different seasons. Kiprusoff stunk as a Shark, it wasn't until after he was traded to Calgary that he became good. Even Toskala wasn't that good. He had one really good season in 03-04, then he managed to play alright in a season where Nabby had a really bad year. He wasn't really that good in 05-06, as much as Nabby was just bad that year. That was the post-lockout year where save percentages were down and .901 was the league average that year, so Toskala's .901 wasn't as bad as it would be in a normal season. It was just average. Greiss was just average and continues to fluctuate by the year. Boucher wasn't a bad backup for a year and a couple starts.Well we are talking Roy, Hasek, Brodeur type season's, and nobody has put up those numbers as a starter except Bobrovsky when he won the Vezina last season. Dell finished at an even 2.00 GAA even when we finished the season so poorly last season. Yes he only played 20 games, but that's very impressive. I remember him being under 1.80 GAA at one point which is insane. The weak goals that Jones has let in have been back breakers, especially early on in games. We just lose steam and the team just doesn't play as hard in front of him. I don't know, Dell seems to pick everyone up more.