Confirmed with Link: Sharks acquire Timothy Liljegren from Maple Leafs for Matt Benning, conditional 3rd and 6th

ponder

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Leafs fan, you guys will like him IMO. He never really found his groove/confidence in Toronto, but he’s a talented, jack of all trades dman, who has played like a top 4 dman at times. He’ll have a great opportunity to get heavy minutes/responsibility in SJ, and I’ll bet he thrives with it, and becomes a legit top 4 dman, full stop.

Scouting report wise, he skates pretty well, is stocky and does well in puck battles, and is a very good 1:1 defender - great gap control, hard to beat off the rush. Probably has untapped offensive potential, above average shot and can be a decent puck mover. The tools are “top 4, 2-way dman,” the confidence and consistency has never been there, but a fresh start in SJ could change that.
 
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Wore #37 in Toronto.

My guess is there may be a 1-2 day delay due to visa issues before he can play.

There's the potential that Cags or Shakir might be recalled for Thursday's game.
 

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I like this trade. Better fit than Benning. Maybe Lily can increase the value of Ferraro. Shame about the 3rd, but they can get it back before the deadline.
 
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All of the weaknesses Liljegren has, Benning has in spades. Benning collapses under the slightest pressure, because he's both totally immobile and doesn't think fast enough. He can give and take hits (which is merely one form of physical pressure), but as soon as someone gets a step on him, it's a clear shot to the net because Benning simply cannot recover. He's really bad at protecting the blue line as a result, and also really bad at backchecking because he's too slow. If he can manage to win a chase into the corner, he's fine, but he just can't do that with regularity.

Basically, we're exchanging Benning for a younger and better version of Benning (albeit one who isn't much for mere hits), at the cost of a lottery ticket. That's a win.
 

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You guys stole a top 4 defenseman. He was our best defenseman over the last 3 seasons at generating expected goal differentials and one of the best at generating actual goal differentials.

The people criticizing him about not being physical enough have a point but he can move the puck and was extremely good at running the power play when Rielly was out last season. Wild how many of our fans would criticize Liljegren for not being good enough at boxing out guys in front of the net but loved having trash players like Lyubushkin and Edmundsson who got lit up but could hit.
 

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Love how Grier has rebuilt the defense. It's not good, but it's gone from amongst the worst in history to bad NHL-level, and he's done it for effectively no assets. Liljigren will be a really nice pick-up for the next two years. He and Ferraro will compliment each other really well I think. Both are 4/5 guys at their best, but they have been in really poor situations for their abilities.

After the moves of Burns and Karlsson (which had to happen), the d core was headlined by Ferraro and included Benning, Burroughs, Megna, Vlasic, Pouliot, Simek, and Knyzhov. Going out and getting Walman, Ceci, Liljigren, Thompson, Thrun, and a 2nd for UFA Duclair, Benning, waiver pick-up Emberson, and a 6th, while also adding Dickinson, Muk, Cagnoni, Pohlkamp, Roberts, Misskey to the prospect pool from late round picks and must trade assets (Karlsson, Meier). That is quite the overhaul is two years! Playing ahead of that crew would have been demoralising for the forwards, and maybe negatively career altering for Askarov.

I'd like to see us pick up Trouba off waivers next year, and sign a top 4 guy like Ekblad, Borgen, or Gavrikov (LH but plays both sides), while adding Muk into the top 6. If you can acquire someone better or younger than Borgen via secondary assets (RHD always go for 2nds), that works great too. Gives the team 5 4/5 guys and good prospect (3 off, 3 def/physical). Again minimal assets invested, if Walman (#2 LHD) or Liljigren (#3 RHD) look like long-term fits you can sign them. Ceci, Ferraro, and Trouba will be the type of guys who get overpaid for at their respective deadlines. Liljigren will at least get the 3rd back at next years deadline (if desired). He had minimal value due to the second year. Also, with more ice time, trust, less Toronto insanity, and increased opportunity, I expect he'll boost his trade value. I'd much rather have Liljigren than one of the bargain basement RHD UFAs I was wanting this summer.

Come 2027, Dickinson, Muk, UFA/trade, and Walman/Liljigren are your long term top 4 with the goal of acquiring/have acquired a #1 or at least #2 D via trade, free agency, or a draft pick. If we can draft one piece in the next 3 years let it be a Brock Faber in the 2nd round (or Dupont in the first in 2027).

We are still going to be bottom 2-3 this year, and bottom 3-5 next, but the young forwards won't be stuck in their zone nearly as much, and the team will be more competitive. Thanks to Liljigren and Walman we don't have to shell out 4-5 year contracts to two UFAs this summer. Just need one (and Trouba or another quality cap dump). We get long trials of each where one (or maybe both) can earn said 4-5 year contract. In the meantime, we add one of Misa/Martone/Hagens/Schaefer this year and McKenna or another top prospect next.

The only possible downside I see is that this move costs Thompson, who's looked pretty good. However, he is even younger than Muk, and a RHD spot will be available after Ceci gets traded. He'll probably still get 25-30 games this year between injury and post deadline. Next year, he'd be behind (Lilijigren, Trouba, and a UFA signing/trade), but again he'd get 25-30 from post deadline, injuries, and probably an extra 5-10 for Trouba suspensions. Next years deadline and he either establishes himself for good, or we find someone better.

Lastly, whether they have/are prove right or wrong, I've liked nearly every move Grier has made. If I think something we should do, Grier pretty much does. With Wilson I was so often questioning the moves (though I loved the EK65 trade!) The only one I didn't like was the Burns move and even if nothing came back, it still started the chain reaction that moved Hertl, Meier, and Karlsson resulting directly (or indirectly) in Celebrini, Smith, Askarov, Dickinson, Muk, Musty, and Zetterlund.
 

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Well something had to be done with the defense. I take it this is a cap space move for TOR.

... (though I loved the EK65 trade!) The only one I didn't like was the Burns move ...

I was apprehensive on the EK65 trade because DW did get him on an extension for the trade. He ended having to re-sign EK65 as a UFA, thus overpaying him.

I didn't like the Burns trade because I felt GMMG took too much on retention. I believe Burns' retention comes off the books at the end of this season.
 
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I still can't believe we actually got positive value in a trade that involved dumping Matt f***ing Benning.
Leaf fan here.

Would it be fair to say that you didn't? Is that 6th attached for taking him?

I came here to ask if there's any chance that Benning fits into a top 8 for us. I think that you answered that already. Haha
 

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Leaf fan here.

Would it be fair to say that you didn't? Is that 6th attached for taking him?

I came here to ask if there's any chance that Benning fits into a top 8 for us. I think that you answered that already. Haha

Before his injury, he was pretty serviceable and made a good bottom pairing guy. He hasn’t looked great coming back, though.
 

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Leaf fan here.

Would it be fair to say that you didn't? Is that 6th attached for taking him?

I came here to ask if there's any chance that Benning fits into a top 8 for us. I think that you answered that already. Haha
You could do worse than Matt Benning as your #7-8 defenseman (at least before this season), but pray that he doesn't actually have to play any playoff games for you.

At this point, though, he's unplayably awful. Hope that he's your #9.
 
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Pinkfloyd

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I think Liljegren's a player that will prove to be a wise investment for the developing forwards. They need to learn to play with someone on the right side that has Liljegren's sort of skills.
 
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I would rather save our assets for an established top 4 D, preferably one who's bigger and more physical than Liljegren. I know we're not getting that player for a 3rd and a 6th but as a rebuilding team there are only so many top 3 round picks we can afford to trade. That said this trade doesn't pull us out of the running for a bigger move like that either.
Yeah, he’s not the established bonafide top-pair D.
Of course I don't think we're going to be in the playoffs this season or next but hopefully we get there someday and when we do Liljegren is not a guy I would want on the roster even on the third pair.

That said, if Liljegren is intended to be a stop gap/band-aid to help get the puck up to Celebrini and Smith over the next two seasons that makes sense. Still don't love giving up a 3rd rounder for that but it ultimately doesn't really matter. Feels like we could have just signed Schultz or Barrie.
I actually wasn’t against giving Schultz or Barrie (or Shattenkirk) a PTO but Liljegren is clearly a step above them at this point and I’d rather pay slightly more for him.

I think you’re not giving the player a fair shake here, though. Big, tough defense cores have done well in the playoffs in recent years but teams have been winning with one or two smaller and more offensively oriented guys. Florida had Montour, Vegas had Theodore, Colorado had Girard and Toews, Tampa had Shattenkirk (only in their first cup run), and even the big bad Blues had Vince Dunn. Liljegren absolutely has the potential to fit into a championship caliber blue line.
 
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